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NVIDIA: GeForce RTX 2070 Available October 17th

Discussion in 'Frontpage news' started by Hilbert Hagedoorn, Sep 25, 2018.

  1. H83

    H83 Ancient Guru

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    The way Nvidia has been downgrading the 70 series is criminal to say the least. The 970 was an amazing card with great performance with a very decent price, so good that made the 980 almost unnecessary. To "correct" this issue, the 1070 was more expensive and the delta between the 80 series widened to make sure it didn´t steal sales from the 1080. Now the 2070 is using an weaker chip than the 2080 and it´s even more expensive than before! I understand that Nvidia wants to push their clients towards more expensive cards but no this way...
     
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  2. nevcairiel

    nevcairiel Master Guru

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    Whats really funny is how people have such a short memory.
    Historically you considered a generation jump of one level. ie. a 70 replaced the previous 80, and so on. And before Pascal that was quite consistent as well. Only Pascal made a bigger leap. And now thats considered the "standard" citing past precedent, while in fact the one case where this was true was the outlier.
     
  3. RzrTrek

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    I just checked, surely it doesn't only have 5GB of VRAM (enough for 1080p) but what were they thinking!?

    Now I'm leaning towards the GTX 1080. Funny how ones opinion can change in the blink of an eye.
     
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  4. Mda400

    Mda400 Master Guru

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    This is what happens when there is no competition in graphics (or anything). Prices rise because there is no alternative at current performance/price ratio.

    Either AMD needs to do a rework of their GPU architecture like they did for their CPU architecture (big credit to Jim Keller), or we have to wait until we see if Intel's entrance into high-end graphics will create a second competitor.

    Still waiting for 4k 120hz displays and HDMI 2.1 AV receivers to start selling (and graphics cards that come with the connection).
     
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  5. DW75

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    If you can manage a 1080, maybe you should just jump up to a 1080 Ti. It is a great card. The prices have increased on most of them as a result of many people buying them over an RTX 2080. You can still get the EVGA SC2 and the MSI Duke for 700 though. You would be looking at around a 125 percent performance improvement compared to your RX 580. It is a giant increase.

    Edit: The EVGA is now out of stock. The MSI is still there.

    https://www.amazon.com/MSI-GTX-1080-TI-11G/dp/B0722YBZGK
     
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  6. DW75

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    Let these rot on the green guys. Every gamer with a little brain should do so.

    The problem is not the performance jump, but the ridiculous price jump.... Check the benchmarks from today back to the 7xx-9xx change. You got a bit more performance jump there for 50$ LESS with the 9xx. Now you get a bit less performance increase for 100-150$ (2070, 2080) and 400 or even 600$ MORE! (2080Ti). That is what's really disappointing. If you got about the same performance increase as the 700-900 for the same price as the Pascal equivalents or maybe 50$ more, I would say "OK". But this is just pathetic. And I don't care about Tensor cores and RT if the 1100-1200$ 2080Ti can't even run it with fix 60 fps on FHD (Shadow of the Tomb Raider Nvidia demo in 30ish territory, Battlefield V developers announced they would reduce the effect of RTX to get stable fps, Metro developers promise Metro will run 60 fps on FHD, wtf....).
     
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  8. Killian38

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    Looking to buy a used 1080ti myself. I don't care if it was used for mining. It can't be old. No way in $%^$ I'm paying what they are asking.
     
  9. quantum hacker

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    Right. The xx60 models are going back down to the low end like the crappy gtx 760 and 960. The 1060 was a bit too midrange and adequate like the 970 was.

    Nvidia won't be having that any more so now the midrange is the price of the previous high end and the low end is just barely affordable. The low, low-end xx50 series is still there to make fun of poor people, but will increase in cost as well relative to the previous gen, so save those pennies!
     
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  10. quantum hacker

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    Yeah, if buying new then it makes no sense to get a 1080 vs 1080 ti if it's only around $150 more expensive. Consider that you'll likely be using this card for a couple years minimum, and it's like the cost of a 2-3 games extra to get the TI. Big whoop, I'd take the extra performance over that 2 year period.

    I got a 1080 used for $350 though, so I am quite content. The 970 was nice but I really appreciate the performance bump on the 1080. I love that 4x Sparse grid supersampling in Assetto Corsa
     

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    wouldnt this work in favor of AMDs gpu business? they could get more funding now that they can point at all the damn profits they can get now that nvidia has doubled prices for high end stuff since 900 series

    plan is simple: bruteforce a win, make a gpu as big as nvidia makes them now(RT & AI cores included) but make it ALL stream cores, shrink to 7nm, done

    in all likelihood it might come stock with four 8pin PEG connectors, but it will get that sweet 4k120fps market, nvidia's raytracing propaganda be dammed
     
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    funny how ppl keep "whining" about price increase on the gpu side, but are still fine with intels crap (similar price increases and all the security issues/performance (on patched rigs), just because they get 2fps more at FHD.. :rolleyes:

    no one gets forced to buy anything, and any computer parts above the bare minimum (e.g. to be able to use the internet/browser) is still a WANT, not a NEED.
    nor is it Nvs fault/problem that there isnt anyone else on the market, and any other (capital oriented) business would do the same, as they arent a NPO.

    part of the problem (outside mining etc) is "us" by buying new crap every time it gets out (x70/80/ti), even that the existing unit would still do fine for a bit longer.
    myself included, as i would have gotten a RTX, if they had increased vram on non tis (need +9gb to do 4K (even in dsr).
     
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    So much salt in this thread.
     
  14. cryohellinc

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    For a good reason.
     
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    How can you blame AMD for this? What twisted logic is that? Even If AMD would have released new competitive card, lots of people would still go and buy Nvidia card. Been happening all the time.
    So why bother, they can focus on console, professionals and mid tier graphic where they have guaranteed consumption.

    You can see same story in the CPU market. AMD is more than competitive now but people still go for intel.

    These crybabies "AMD should release new cards so I can buy Nvidia card cheaper" boils my blood.
    (i have PC with intel and Nvidia AND pure AMD rig)
    Sorry for my English but I had to react :)
     
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    rtx 2070 is a low end card tu106 tu104 is midrange tu102 is highend so we paying 600 for a lowend :(
     
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    gtx 1080ti going for 580 pounds on overclockers uk :)
     
  18. tunejunky

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    except for the bling factor (and those cards are blingin'), there is no need to buy any RTX cards.
    this is entirely cynical on the part of Nvidia due to the realities of the market. crypto was the factor as the market was saturated with 10xx, with crypto giving the illusion of scarcity (after real scarcity).
    what to do what to do what to do... we're talking a huge hit to the bottom line in a stock market focused on short term gain - that's just reality. so to shore up the stockholders and keep that "buy" recommendation from analysts, while being boxed out of all the latest manufacturing processes, RT was moved up the pipeline.
    RT was designed for a smaller process as it involves additional cores. this is far more easily done when you are not risking as much real estate on the wafer as Nvidia has ended up doing. this has lowered yield and raised prices.
    simple business and simple logic
     
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    One thing is for sure about this launch. The GTX 1080 Ti is going to be the first card in the Pascal lineup to be sold out. They have been selling on newegg and amazon like crazy. People ended up waking up and smelling the coffee, and are seeing through the bullshit of this launch. Anyone who was looking at buying the RTX 2070 or RTX 2080 should get the 1080 Ti while you still can. The new ones won't be around for much longer. Once they are gone, all that will be left is used and shitty miner ones.
     
  20. Fox2232

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    Well, if someone does not have direct need to buy new GPU, I would advise to wait it up. It will settle somehow, and then one can make informed decision.
    At this time one can make only predictive bet. Buying GTX card which does have great rasterization at acceptable price is bet that good raytracing is not going to be here for long time or games will not perform to persons liking.
    Buying RTX card is bet on raytracing as cards are kind of expensive if used "just" for rasterization.

    Buying GTX card today is bet against success of RTX. I am kind of happy that I do not shop at nVidia's side of fence.
     

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