230% efficient LEDs seem to violate first law of thermodynamics

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  1. Watcher

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    http://dvice.com/archives/2012/03/230-efficient-l.php

     
  2. Mufflore

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    Ah, that'll be down to the lateral beam converter pointing in the wrong direction.
    It now expresses literal beams which interfere with reality.
    ;)

    Nice find.
    Light based computers could find this beneficial, not just to use less energy input, but also to cool the electronic parts for faster operation.
     
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    And now we enter the realm of ghosts being possible again, lol
     
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    Where's the article saying their measurements were inaccurate?
     

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    If you read the entire article, you would see the explanation, which isn't all that miraculous, but still interesting.
     
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    ^
    That. Troll science is flawless LOL.
     
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    lol :d
     
  9. Mufflore

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    Guys, it doesnt sound like fiction, only the title makes it sound that way.
    They say the LED uses heat as well as electrons to produce light.

    This method could be used to literally beam heat away from specific points in a circuit.
     
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    LED based CPU heatsink :D
     

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    Laws are meant to be broken. ;D If black-holes are possible, why not LEDs that use heat as power too? ;D
     
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    That's pretty awesome news with those LEDs! Now we just need to crack the riddle of fusion.

    Our science is still in the baby stage - Just look at our primary energy source - We're burning old dinosaurs lol. That's not very advanced..

    But what's really turning me on is this below. You're a genius, how come no one though of that before? ;)

     
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    Won't work -- all the forces inside the system cancel out, leaving the cart stationary. The magnet is pulling on the cart, but since the magnet is connected to the cart, the cart is simultaneously pulling on the magnet with an equal but opposite force => zero net effect.

    (On second thought, not sure if serious, because the above ought to be obvious to anyone who's ever studied physics in any detail...)
     
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    crap, are you sure? have you even tried it???? :)
     
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    Again: not sure if serious or am being trolled, but here goes... :)

    Imagine the cart without any magnet attached, being pulled by a magnet being held at some distance by a person. Now imagine in parallel that same scenario, except now the magnet is stuck to the cart instead of being some distance away. Hopefully you will realize that the cart moves regardless of whether the magnet is stuck to the cart or if it is a 'sufficient' distance away. So clearly, whether the cart moves or not does not depend on whether the magnet is a few centimeters away or stuck to the cart, so long as an external force is keeping the magnet at a constant distance from the cart.

    Now consider airbud7's image again. Applying what we discovered above, we conclude that this scenario is -- in every other respect apart from the intensity of the forces involved -- identical to the one I have drawn below:

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    Does such a system move? No. Hence, neither does the original system drawn by airbud7.
     
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    Nooo, The magnet cant touch the car...thats how you shut it Off...It must be 1 to 3 feet away for it to Go:bang:
     
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    Sorry for keeping you in the dark there, Decane - I was only half joking actually. I knew it wouldn't move, but it's not easy to comprehend.. At least not for me tonight. :) Thanks for the little lecture :)

    DAMMIT I WANT IT TO MOVE, I feel finding a magnet and test it for myself now

    ill let you know if it moves.
     
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    that's clever...
     
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    interesting, loving the loltank too.
     

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