Zen Build Planning...

Discussion in 'General Hardware' started by BLEH!, Feb 23, 2017.

  1. BLEH!

    BLEH! Ancient Guru

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    So, given RyZen is nearly upon us, I'm mulling over upgrading my aging X58 rig.

    What I'm planning to buy:
    1) 8-core, probably the 1700X
    2) a decent, but not OTT board (not the gaming ones), something that will have enough features for decent OCing, but for stable use as an audio workstation. Fancy networking and audio not required as I'm using an external soundcard.
    3) 16 GB (2 x 8) DDR4, probably 2400 MHz, maybe 2666 as the price is about the same.
    4) Windows 10 Pro

    What I'm bringing over from my existing rig:
    1) Case - HAF-X
    2) PSU - Enermax 1500W
    3) GPU - Sapphire Fury
    4) 512 GB Vertex 4 SSD
    5) DVD Drive and 3 data drives (could probably add a blue ray drive, instead...?)
    6) PCIe Firewire card, so I can actually use my external soundcard.
    7) Noctua NH-D14.

    So any suggestions from that lot or does it seem straightforward?

    I'm curious about whether or not it's worth getting an M2 SSD for the uber read and write speeds, 500 MB/s across SATAIII is quick enough, right?

    Ta

    BLEH!
     
  2. sverek

    sverek Ancient Guru

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    I gonna break the hype and ask questions.

    Why you need faster rig?
    What can Ryzen do that your 980X is incapable off?
    Isn't there something more significant that can pay off? Monitor? Audio Gear? etc...
     
  3. lmimmfn

    lmimmfn Ancient Guru

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    I'm still trying to decide if I should upgrade my also aging x58 rig or not, I'll wait until benchmarks first. My main issue is the good old x58 platform is pretty flexible and has a lot of pcie lanes( OK only pcie2 ) these have come in handy long term for sata3 & usb3 pcie cards. Ryzen is pretty limited long term due to low number of lanes, same with Intel with 6800k CPU's etc, but with Intel in a few years you can swap the CPU for a cheap second hand Xeon.

    Still, the upgrade itch is strong lol
     
  4. BLEH!

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    This is a bit of a double edged-sword, really, there are a number of reasons for wanting to upgrade:
    1) Power, my current CPU uses about 150 W overclocked and the mobo probably about 80 (X58 + SB + 2 x unused NF200 chips), Zen would be about a third of that.
    2) Gaming, minimum frame rates would go up hugely with the improved because I do get some lagging in more demanding modern titles.
    3) Content creation, yes my CPU works OK, but it does struggle when running many many VSTs in Cubase and for my YouTube work, rendering videos can take a fair while, so any improvement there would be nice, really.

    This, basically. My backup rig (7850K/A88X) has far better connectivity than my X58 rig. The core of my PC is now 6 years old, it's time for a change, benchmarks permitting.
     

  5. Geryboy

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    the x370 pro from asus is the cheapest x370 here, if that is too expensive, well there's only b350.
     
  6. BLEH!

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    Yeah, I don't see the Crosshair being that much better for what I want to do. I'm not planning on running the thing at 5 GHz under water, anyway.
     
  7. sverek

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    That would be actually reasonable upgrade. AMD 8 cores would do come handy for rendering.

    See how different performance between 1700X and 1700, you could decide from there.

    Gaming wise, CPU limited titles like BF1 could be played at higher frames. I think your current CPU cap around 70-90. Ryzen should be able to ryzen it above around 120. Just speculations.

    Anyway, looks good! I wouldn't rush m.2 unless there actual need for high I/O. SataIII should be enough for your daily usage. Could be good though for system to load it in seconds, but again its just it. I dont think there lags during usage cause of SATA SSD.
     
  8. __hollywood|meo

    __hollywood|meo Ancient Guru

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    MSI b350 tomahawk & asus b350 plus only have 6 stage VRM, but if theyre quality components, thats enough for a bit of OC. gigabytes ab350 gaming board has 8 stage VRM (might be able to OC more) but no USB3.1. they all have m2 slots. they all cost about a cnote.

    m2 is definitely nice to have but idk wat the real world difference is, or if its even noticeable beyond SATA 6gb/sec spec when you arent working with huuuuuuuuuuuuuuge files...
     
  9. BLEH!

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    Yeah, I'll be reeading ALL the reviews before taking the plunge, maybe wait a month or so to see if any technical glitches pop up.

    I'm tempted to grab a small, fast M2 drive for the OS then have my current SSD for games and audio samples.

    Had issues with Giga in the past, sticking with ASUS preferably, or maybe Asrock, MSI. M.2: 4 x faster when you don't already realise how fast your SSD is... XD
     
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    oh somehow i missed your post here! saw you in the asus mobo thread mentioning the x370 prime pro. if youre stepping up to that price bracket, take a look at the MSI pro carbon as well. either one of those look very nice on paper.
     

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    I have my OS on a Sata 3 SSD, the m2 would boot alot faster, wouldn't be worth the money for me though...
     
  12. dudecat64

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    i know the feeling. I am still debating on my motherboard. I will not go with gigabyte again. Two boards i have had on intel system and dont like either one. But my amd 970 board was rock solid wierd. Anyways i think either msi or asrock for me this round.
     
  13. BLEH!

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    I've had many Gigabyte boards die on me or just have no end of compatibility issues with RAM/CPUs/GPUs, etc. My current ASUS X58 board has been running full on for 6 years now and shows no signs of slowing down, fantastic compatibility all over. My backup rig (though lightly used) has a nice feature-rich MSI board I really like, not had any issues so far.
     
  14. jura11

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    Hi there

    Personally I'm looking at ASRock X370 boards like is Taichi which is probably cheapest over here and pack same features like Asus Crosshair VI which cost more, right now running ASRock board and really like it these boards,they pack lots of features and don't cost too much money

    Regarding CPU, 1800x looks like best CPU with good OC or 1700x which hopefully can be OC to reasonable 4.2-4.4GHz

    And RAM, get 2*16GB which you can sometimes find for good money, you can find them from £175 for Vengeance 2400MHz and more

    I personally will be using mine 64GB 2400MHz or 2133MHz

    Regarding using M.2 on audio workstation its bit useless, I personally have or using normal SSD and most of my samples are on normal HDD and scratch disk is second SSD Crucial M500 which is not bad, but still slower than my Samsung 1TB

    8 core/16 threads should be awesome in Cubase or in Ableton which I use mostly with Logic Pro X and there I use lots plugins

    Old X58 is not bad in music or audio production SW but showing the age

    Hope this helps

    Thanks, Jura
     
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    If you are interested in a M.2 SSD, Biostar is giving a free 240 GB M.2 SSD with their GT7 x370 motherboard on newegg. The price is $209, but with the value of the SSD it's the best deal out there imo.... I actually switched my pre-order to it because of the deal. It sounds like you're looking for the same kind of motherboard I was, so it might be worth checking out.

    *No exact word on what model of SSD it actually is at this point. My bet is that it's Biostar M200-240, so a fairly basic model as far as M.2 SSDs go.

    **In case you don't live in Canada as I thought from "The North"... just scratch all I said.
     

  16. BLEH!

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    Right, so given the Zen reviews, it's promising, but for my needs Intel might be better if I can source the right parts. There are a number of reasons for this:
    1) Fairly low OC ceiling relative to Intel (currently), and the inability to OC single cores to higher speeds for the same TDP. I really could do with the high single-core clocks for some games and certain workloads.
    2) Again, while the multithreaded perf is pretty damn good, a well OCed 6-core should suffice for my needs, and have more PCIe lanes available should they be needed.

    So I'm thinking:
    X99, 5820K or (if I can find one cheap) 5930K. Both of these seem to OC much higher than broadwell, despite the newer process. Quad channel 16 GB of 2400 or similar.

    X99 is a known beast nowadays and probably easier to work with.

    Thoughts?
     
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    Getting 5820K at this stage is really a waste. If you really really need insane frames for gaming right now, get 7700K. 5820K is wasted by 1700X at any benchmark where amd and intel scales the same. No need to mention that single core performance of 5820K is below of quad cores and overclockability is also lower.

    You also mentioned getting better lowest frames, thats where ryzen is capable when Intel CPUs hitting a cap.
     
  18. BLEH!

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    7700K doesn't *really* have enough cores for my needs, I need those extra threads when working with huge audio projects in Cubase. It's a matter of trying to strike that balance.
     
  19. BLEH!

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    I must also add that I refuse to buy a CPU I have to break to make work properly...
     
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    I take it you mean deliddle, in either case can't go wrong with the Ryzen for a good all rounder CPU.
     

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