Z390 chipset now rumored to get rebranded from Z370

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  1. BigMaMaInHouse

    BigMaMaInHouse Member Guru

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    Plus, AMD gives us Unlocked CPU- we paid for it, we have the freedom to tweak it.
    And I don't want to talk about Intel's decision for using toothpaste on they High end CPU's + Using garbage stock cooler on BOX CPU's, they give us same tiny cooler on i7 8700 as I got on old Pentium G2020, Common!!!
    They are just super crazy greedy!, why can't they spend extra 1$ on the i7 8700 BOX cooler? why the customer must thermal throtle and MUST spend EXTRA $$$$ on 3rd party cooler as stock cooler? (no OC).

    https://s15.**********/vk09rx1q3/8700.jpg

    Intel Pentium super cheap BOX cooler:
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    *image taken from G2020 review from tecnogaming.com.
     
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    Please explain better, because you left me with no answer.
    GPP? Gefore partner program? How is related?

    amd paid fake news means that amd paid someone to spread false new on the z390 chipset. Is this happened already in the past?
     
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    AMD was spreading false information that Nvidia requires to use Gaming word as a brand for Nvidia products.
     
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    That was backward compatibility. Absolutely pointless as you still have to buy a new motherboard. There were rare exceptions made by m/b manufacturers. But rare, as straight compatibility wasn't officially supported by AMD. Those were just few motherboards. If you didn't have them, you still had to buy a new board.

    Difference between 300 and 200/100 series is a new memory controller support and greatly increased power lines capable of higher energy consumption CPUs (like 6 and 8-core). That's a reason why AMD was releasing their incompatible Socket+ versions. Again, noone questions existence of AM4. Why? Why AMD didn't play good to use AM3+? Why releasing TR4 shortly after? Right, there are reasons. Why when it comes to AMD, you are trying to accept that reason, while those reason are same for Intel, you are trying to ignore them and blame Intel for same what AMD does. At least they abandon an idea of Socket FM3 in favor of AM4. That's a good move.
     

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    Ah, so we should all only care about what you care about, and if you don't care about something, then everyone else is wrong.

    Gotcha, i understand your mentality now and will treat your mentality with what it deserves: ignorance.

    It's nice to show your true colors isn't it? Very freeing, thank you for doing so.

    Are you really asking these questions?

    300 series chipsets from Intel not supporting previous generation Intel CPUs on the same socket and opposite, has no bearing. If you want to decide to believe the lies that Intel spoon feeds you because you're an intel fan, by all means, continue to show your true colors.

    However, why didn't AMD go with AM3+? How stupid of a question is that. I know you're trying to make a point, but what point? AM3/+, as the name implies ever since AM2, used DDR3 ram, are you trying to say everyone would have been happy if AMD had used AM3/+ with DDR3 for Ryzen? Yeah, fat chance. Or are you trying to say that AM3/+ physical socket could have been used but instead used DDR4? What would be the point in that, it still wouldn't have been compatible, so what is the point you are trying to make?

    Or, are you trying to make this illogical, nonsensical point that you believe Intels 300 series chipsets and its incompatibilities for your above stated "reasons" are somehow even remotely the same severity of using an entirely new architecture and DDR ram standard?

    And then there's the part where you're saying why aren't we saying the same thing about AMD, who introduced AM3+ in 2011, are replacing it in 2017, whereas Intel decided to introduce the 1151 in 2015, and release an incompatible in all which ways 1151 in 2018..so, 2.5 years vs 6? So...what's there to compare?

    I'm not saying that if AMD hadn't stayed more in the game after bulldozer, rather then waiting so long to release something better, that there wouldn't have been something inbetween AM3+ and AM4, but you're the one that gave this comparison, asking why we aren't worried that after 6 years AMD changed socket, yet we're worried that after 2.5 years, intel didn't change socket, didn't change DDR support (since 1151 had DDR3 and DDR4 support from the getgo), and yet decided to screw everyone over by purposefully making them incompatible, claiming what you have claimed above, and expecting everyone like yourself to be fooled by them.


    Now, lets go onto TR4 "shortly after", as you have stated. Are you really asking why the TR4 was released? Are you saying people would have rathered not have 16+ core processors on the desktop and instead be forced to buy server motherboards and server processors for that? Are you saying that quad channel ram isn't something people have been looking forward to having but not required by the masses?

    Or are you saying everyone should have been stuck with the much more expensive quad-channel ram setups, much more massive sockets, and all the additional costs that go with it?

    Or, is it more sinister then that? Are you suggesting that AMD is fooling us all, and that AM4 could have supported not only dual-channel ram, but also quad-channel ram at the same time, and fitted all 4 8-core modules in the AM4 package? ............................. Right.....

    You're comparing choices of what you want, how many cores you want, dual-channel or quad-channel ram, etc. CHOICES, to Intels schemes of changing sockets with no actual reason, changing the electrical paths with no actual reason, making things incompatible on purpose and forcing you to change your setup......Good job comparing apples to rocks? Yes, i didn't say to oranges, they are both fruit, and that's too close to what you are comparing.

    Yes, continue to be spoon fed by Intel all you want, continue to believe that these socket changes/electrical signal changes on the same socket that they do that offer no difference in performance and compatibility and doesn't benefit you at all, is somehow to your benefit. The reality is, if intel needs to continue to make socket changes, or change how the socket works, then that's quite sad given their lack of performance boosts over the last 6-7 years. So yes, continue to be spoon fed all you want.
     
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    It doesn't matter how long will it be supported. Matter is that is was released.

    9 generation Core will come for 300-series chipsets. You know it, but then you still questioning of what you know?
     
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    When no arguments, insults follows...

    It's not Intel's fault that AMD was incapable to make any new architecture in 6 years. It doesn't change the fact that AMD has a new socket every new architecture and sometimes in between.

    I'm not. I'm saying that your approach is very narrow-minded.

    That's from bible. Right on topic.
     
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    I didn't even read his response, i blocked him after i posted it, since it was obvious he's a hopeless case
     
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    Lifespan of the socket is an arbitrary factor that matters to you so much only because it's something you can beat Intel over the head with. Kinda like when AMD zealots would constantly proclaim how they do better in price/performance, and my favorite... performance/watt.

    The thing is, the vast majority of consumers purchase a new motherboard when they buy a new processor. Why? Because hardly anyone buys a new CPU every year or two due to the performance improvements being so small between consecutive generations. And when they finally are 2-3 gen newer, the latest motherboards will almost always have large improvements such as faster memory standards, new PCIe gen, the latest USB version, and faster storage interfaces. Only a fraction of a percent of consumers upgrade their processors with such frequency that this would be a factor to them. And that small minority can be found on a handful of PC enthusiast forums.

    What amazes me is how the person who typed the above quote could possibly judge another on their comprehension of the English language.
     

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