Without wanting to start a flame war .......... I pose the question: Can we grow up a bit please lads, I mean to say, there is a wealth of info to be garnered here, the mods do a good job, it is not as restrictive here as other forums I have joined, yet we get endless (read mindless) responses to threads that are basically "crap", ( and I point to [removed] in particular, mate, wake up to your self, you win spam poster of the year for your mindless non contributing posts) I joined this forum to disemenate my meagre knowledge, and learn from others here. I ask what is the problem? .............. I look at the "average age of guru users" thread and it becomes a little clearer. all praise to Hilbert and co. I will still visit this site for the info available Cheers P.S. I realise my view may be deemed trolling, and as starter of this thread I risk being banned if it degenerates, but I just had to say it.