WinXP+Vista Startup-Problem with ATT v1.6.9.1401 beta

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  1. CyberCore

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    Hello @ ALL!

    Note: I've open this thread, because I need support for my problem! Did a post like this - but I earned no answers, so I'm sorry for this "Double Entry".

    As the Titelbar show you, do I've got a very uncomfortable Startup-Problem, wich I indicate as a driver - load up fail - (I think - that could be the problem).

    Okay, at first I've to say, that I'm german and I can't english the best, but I'll try to explain my problem as best as I can.

    The Systemsettings and Hardwaresetting are as following:

    Windows XP SP3
    Asus P5B Deluxe
    3072 Mb of RAM @ 666Mhz
    IntelCore 2 Duo Quad Q6600 with G0 Stepping @ 3,0Ghz
    SAPPHIRE HD4980
    2D- standards = 250Mhz Coreclock and 400Mhz RAM-Clock
    3D- standards = 885Mhz CoreClock and 1015Mhz RAM-Clock

    DX diag:
    http://rapidshare.com/files/300482873/DxDiag.txt

    Same Problem is by the way with Vista Ultimate 32 bit too.

    Okay so I'll explain, what my Problem is.

    - At first I had a nVidia 7950 GX2 in my system installed and deinstalled the drivers with "DriverCleaner". Then I shut down my system and installed my new HD4980, made a restart and installed the latest drivers from the manufecturer page - of cause the Catalyst too.

    Then I installed the ATi Tray Tool and seted at first the 2D-Settings, then the Fansettings to:

    -35°C = 35%
    -45°C = 40%
    -50°C = 50%
    -60°C = 60%
    -65°C = 70%
    -70°C = 80%
    -80°C = 90%
    -85°C = 100%

    After this I seted the 3D- Settings overclocked to the values I told (885+1015) and tested them - all works fine.
    The automatically overclocking too. Switching between this 2D settings and 3D settings by Hardwareacceleration works fine.

    Then I restarted my system and started Vista. Okay - same there - deinstalling drivers and install the new ATi drivers at least ATi-Tray tool.

    Next day... started my System-> XP... at the Starting Screen System hangs up!... Restart by the Resetbutton of my Towercase... Starting Windows normally = YES! ... system started without hangup?!

    Okay... System was working good - wanted to see some tests under DX10 and shuted my system down - restarted Vista = same problem - Startup hangup... resetbutton => Starting Windows Normally?= YES! ... started without problems?!

    I thought it could be a virus or something like that, because, if my system was without energy, and I started it next day I had startup problems, but after the entry "Start Normally" all works fine under XP and Vista too?!

    After "Newstarts/Restarts" by the option under Windows XP and Vista, was this Startup Problem not reported?!

    Okay, I thought that could be a virus or something like that - so I reinstalled the OS's and after all doings, I got this problem again - but only AFTER the setup of the ATi-Tray Tool...
    -> So it have to depend on the ATi-Tray-Tool - but how??

    Do I have to set some settings different?

    Please I need help or I have to do this! :)pc1::biggun:!) - LOL!

    I'm a little bit experienced in PC-Hardware and Software, but this problem I've never seen before! Someday there're new problems, wich I've never reported before - but this problem is making me angry... of cause!

    Oh.. short sidenote:

    Mainboard drivers are the newest Beta drivers. For Drivers at all I keep my eyes open and hold them to the newest ones - if there're no problems with them.

    Greetz @ All... Cyber!
     
  2. Ray Adams

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    Uninstall ATT and use computer for a few days without it. I doubt its related to ATT any way
     
  3. CyberCore

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    I will test it once, uninstall it and then reboot after the shutdown. I will tell you about the results, okay?

    Untill next post - bye.


    >>>>>> EDIT <<<<<<

    Okay, hold your breath - that could be a new mission for Agent Mulder and Diana Scully - LOOOOL! I uninstalled ATi Tray and made a reboot after shutdown, you could say coldstart. Then ... dum di dum - Windows Screen was shown and 2 times the Loadingindicator was moving and then it did nothing any more. Hangup again?! Okay, so - you had the right, that ATT isn't the problem.

    I've searched in the 3W for answers and - hey I found some! Okay, the problem depends on a failed or not really correktly install of a Service Pack - Vista and XP - both OS got this problem sometimes after an installation of a Service Pack.

    On my OS Vista was after the automatically update and restart a message shown, but I thought all was working correktly.
    On my OS XP was a message like that not shown, but if I try to uninstall SP3 I get a warning message, that SP3 can't be uninstalled caused by missing files.

    Now I try to uninstall it by another way - after that I'll reinstall it. On Vista I'll deinstall the Updates and reinstall them. After that @ all I hope, that this clears my problem.

    Thanks for your help.

    Greetz @ All - c ya.


    :bang: I'm going to be very sick... "okay, I've just uninstalled the SP3 - and made a shutdown for a *cold start*. After that, the OS starts without a problem - what I did next was a new installation of SP3 and after a reboot I shuted the system down. The I made a *cold start* and ... HaHa -> there was the HangUp again... what kind of joke is this?! There was no warning message at the install process or an informationmessage of a failed installation - nothing! The *bug* is depending on SP3 ... but how I know, only if something was going wrong at the installation process, ok?
    Next what I did was an uninstallation of SP3 again (never ending story) and of cause a reinstallation of it, but - from a new downloaded version of it from Microsoft.com - the only idear I've got is that the SP3-install.exe was demaged or something like that, but that idear was wrong - after my reinstallation and new cold start I had the same response again - *So Whaaaat!*?!"

    I've got enought of this - I'll make a new installation of my OS's ... XP and Vista, there's the same Bug - and of cause I tried the same steps - any idears at all? I'm interested on this bug, believe me - nothing was happening before like this, and isn't life a never ending way of a learning process?- Indeed it is, isn't it?
    An Idear too - LOL -> The PC knows about my leaving girlfriend out of my flat, and then it takes the role of her and bogarts like her! ->LOL, no - I don't really believe that, but it's enough to annoy my girlfriend who looks curiously over my shoulder, haha!

    Greetz @ All -> I'll report about the results of my new experiment to clear this problem - I hope it turns out to be succesful.
     
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  4. CyberCore

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    Yes you're right!

    So, I find the problem... LOL! Won't believe it - I can't believe it by myself!

    So if I turn my powersupply off, after shutdown - and put it on again, to start my PC... (how crazy)- the system startup without any problems!

    My powersupply is less then a half year old - that can't be the problem, but and that's the point, LOL -> I got a new flat and in my old flat the fuses, sometimes were flying out, caused by the short peakperformance at the startup. So I think the problem is depending on this, LOL - so I can do two things, at first - after shutdown I deactivate my powersupply or I push the reset button of my towercase exactly after booting *beep*, that helps too.

    BUT now a very different problem I've got:

    I'm using the OS Vista Ultimate (32bit) too, and if I try to set the Core-Clock of my HD4980 over 825Mhz the system hangs on!
    Note, that standard Clocking is at 850Mhz on games with 3D acceleration. I know, that the GC is normally under 2D a little bit underclocked - okay, only the Core-Clock is underclocked, why ever - doesn't matter at this point - because underclocking is working good and correctly - set them to 200Mhz Core-Clock and 300Mhz RAM-Clock and saved my fan-settings in this profile too.
    On XP SP2 it works with the profiles in both ways. Should I try compatibility-mode? Or set the .exe on *starting with administrator rights*?
    Insn't amazing, that I clear up a problem and I find much more?!... urgh, the PC is only a human too, isn't it?!- And *he* has a bad day, doesn't?

    I'm looking forward to your answer... really! Thank's all the way for your help!

    Greetz@ALL... CyberCore (with his mentally twisted PC) ;-)!

    linking of the details from Everest Ultimate and newest DX-Diag depending on Vista:
    >http://rapidshare.com/files/308345188/Everest_Ultimate_Report.txt
    >http://rapidshare.com/files/308339203/DxDiag.txt
     

  5. Ray Adams

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    No needs in admin rights. Just do not forget to increase voltage for 3D mode. Also may be more than 825 is too high for your board?
     
  6. CyberCore

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    ...ehm - okay, step by step.

    Do you want to test my KnowHow? :p
    With regard to the administrative rights, I agree with you. That was more an ironic meaning - like the default answer of Microsoft:"Try reinstalling drivers!"(where every experienced user is thinking about:*Just do not take that seriously!*) - you could call it a bad joke, german humor is different.

    I don't think, that increasing the voltage for 3D is needed on this clocks, because, up to 905Mhz Core-Clock and 1035Mhz RAM-Clock, my card is working without problems and there's the workingdegree rising up to 80°C (176°F or 353,15K) and this on my OS XP (32bit) in the Futuremark06.

    ALL setting above this clocks are needing a voltage-modification... on my system, that are my experiences. But, I won't stress my GC that much, so I stay with clocks 20Mhz under my highest tested and running clocks. I think, I won't increase the clocks much more with a watercooling system - not with this old motherboard, of cause.

    Don't forget, if I'm using GPU-Z to collate the values of clocks from the ATT, it shows me this values exactly - the values of GPU-Z and ATT aren't different (THX a lot for the tool, good work)! - but safety first ;-).

    Okay - what shows me GPU-Z and ATT on standard settings (DEFDAULTS) of the Radeondrivers?-> 2D-Core Clock = 250Mhz, RAM-Clock = 975Mhz; 3D-Core Clock = *850*Mhz, RAM-Clock = 975Mhz.
    XP ->AND<- VISTA, have the same values at this point!
    So -> I think my board can handle this. OKAY, not the best, but it can - No PCI-E 2.0 support - this 5fps more ingame, I don't care about, trust me ;-).

    Okay, I'm running now on OS XP SP3 a Core-Clock of 885Mhz and RAM-Clock with 1015Mhz in 3D modes. In 2D mode it's underclocked to 250- and 300Mhz.

    Why, I can't run that settings on my OS VISTA(3D AND 2D)?? - *"gulp"* - Underclocking on Vista - ATT shows me 200- and 600Mhz?? - But GPU-Z shows me 200- and 300Mhz? ONLY on Vista is this problem reported by me.

    Then, the nice NOT WORKING overclocking -> 975Mhz RAM-Clock upwards to 1015Mhz is no problem [but I increase at first the Core-Clock and then the RAM-Clock] - if I try to increase the Core-Clock over 825Mhz, I earn a Systemcrash. {+and a hearthinfakt³ at the first crash+}
    That is absolutely crazy, because - if i don't change something, the GC is running with a CORECLOCK of *850Mhz*! **->Where's the joke? >> "Come out you're surrounded!"<-:rpg:**

    Do you have ideas now?:pray2pc:

    [EDIT]
    HD4980 under my Systeminformations is some kind of artistic freedom... who thought this GC really exists??:funny:
     
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  7. Ray Adams

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    Do not thing :) Just increase it :)
     
  8. CyberCore

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    *Yessirrrr!*

    Okay... how much should I increase, what do you think?

    It run's at XP with 1,313V... HEY- NExT bug, at Vista ATT tells me nothing about the currently used voltage?!


    [EDIT]

    But hey?! Should that could be the problem of the systemcrash under Vista?!!! I can make input of a Voltageregistration - like 1,313V... that is the value of the OS XP - should I try it?
     
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  9. Ray Adams

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    Look in SysInfo report after windows restart without applying any overclocking profiles. There are you can find info about your standard 2d/.3d clocks including their voltages
     
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    THAT WAS the problem! So defaults are 1.053V - and I need 1.313V for my overclocks. VISTA have got very different default settings as XP - now I've got the problem, that the automatic OC by hardwareacceleration for 2D and 3D, crashes my new game Dragon Age Origins.

    I've to OC manual and set automatic off - that's not really a problem, but uncomfortable. Can you fix it please?

    THX for all your help - really good support!
     

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    Fix what? Id river reports to ATT that 3D clock is 1.053V , how can I set anything higher?
    Post your report here
     
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    The option of ATT: "right click on try-icon/Hardware/Automatic Overclock-> Automatic 2D/3D-Overclocking *enabled* with both insert 2D/3D-Profiles."
    > This option crashes the game Dragon Age Origins - and my question is now, is that fixable?
    I think, that the crashpoint of the game is in the moment where the hardwareacceleration is switching to the 3D-Profile.
    Missing compatibility of ATT for the game, or?

    Did you understand me now?
     
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    Or use game profile instead :) I have DA game installed and it works without crashes, but I don't enable 2d/3d at all. I always put overclocking in game profile itself.
     
  14. CyberCore

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    ...oh... almost forgot!

    YEAH! Oh, this was my fault - don't remembered that I could use this option - I forgot it.
    Thanks for the reminding... I'll try it! It would be more comfortable, then my idear.
    Is the profile loaded immediately at the moment of the gamestart? Okay, I think I have to use the DOA-Launcher.exe for a correct work, or?

    Wich .exe did you select?
     
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    Can't remember exactly right now which .exe. Game installed on my home computer. Can give more info at evening. But I doubt there are many exe file to select :)
     
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