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Windows 10 Enterprise 2016 LTSB (1607) vs Windows 10 1903 tested in 10 games

Discussion in 'Operating Systems' started by Enterprise24, Sep 18, 2019.

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Which Windows 10 version is your favorite choice ?

  1. 1507

    8.3%
  2. 1511 (November Update)

    8.3%
  3. 1607 (Anniversary Update)

    8.3%
  4. 1703 (Creators Update)

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  5. 1709 (Fall Creators Update)

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  6. 1803 (APril 2018 Update)

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  7. 1809 (October 2018 Update)

    12.5%
  8. 1903 (May 2019 update)

    62.5%
  1. Enterprise24

    Enterprise24 Active Member

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    Windows 10 Enterprise 2016 LTSB is basically Windows 10 Aniversary Update (1607) that was release in 2016.
    However the normal Windows 10 1607 was EOL since April 2018 and was no longer receive any update.
    Windows 10 Enterprise 2016 LTSB however will get an important security update till 2026. Let's compare it to the most recent version which is Windows 10 1903.

    Test system
    i9-9900K @ 5Ghz core , 4.7Ghz uncore
    ASRock Z370 Taichi P4.00
    2x8GB DDR4-3500 16-18-18-36-2T
    EVGA GTX 1080 Ti @ 2126 core / 12474 mem
    Transcend PCIE NVME 220S 1TB
    Seagate Barracuda 4TB
    Corsair HX 750W
    NZXT H440 White
    Custom Water Cooling
    Nvidia 436.30
    Record by ShadowPlay

    Windows 10 Enterprise 2016 LTSB OS Build 14393.3204 (lastest update as of 18 Sep 2019).
    Windows 10 1903 OS Build 18362.356 (lastest update as of 18 Sep 2019).

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    If you are curious about SOTTR and CIV 6 results I try to re-test several times but the results didn't change.
    However both games run normally on DX11 with Windows 10 1903.
     
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  2. Jackalito

    Jackalito Master Guru

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    Those extreme dips sound more like a driver issue from Nvidia with DX12 than a Windows problem, to be honest.
     
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  3. maur0

    maur0 Master Guru

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    cool test you have
    interest in testing win10 1607 pro lite that I mounted myself removed a lot of system lighter than the LTSB itself today maybe a new update comes out and I integrate and send iso for you to test just a detail but you should not bother this in PT- BR the language
     
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  4. mbk1969

    mbk1969 Ancient Guru

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    I don`t get what are "1% Low" and "0.1% Low"...
     

  5. Astyanax

    Astyanax Ancient Guru

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    Civ 6 is probably affected by CFG
     
  6. Enterprise24

    Enterprise24 Active Member

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    This is very possible explanation.

    A modern way to measure minimum framerate.

    What is CFG ?
     
  7. aka2k

    aka2k Member Guru

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    Tomb Raider and Civilization could be affected by Spectre and Meltdown mitigations.
     
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    mbk1969 Ancient Guru

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  10. Digilator

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    Can the Spectre and Meltdown patches be easily removed from a Win10 ISO(if included)?
     
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  11. Enterprise24

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    Bad news. By disabling control flow guard both games still stutter.
     
  12. insp1re2600

    insp1re2600 Master Guru

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    what about LTSC?
     
  13. mbk1969

    mbk1969 Ancient Guru

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    That ^ guy failed to explain "1% Low" and "0.1% Low"

    That guy succeeded
     
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  14. Enterprise24

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    To do list...
     
  15. SweenJM

    SweenJM Master Guru

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    Been using LTSC 1809 for a client with a little over 100 seats. Works well. It has some things that LTSB 1607 was lacking, but it no longer has the legacy "set default programs" screen.....which i kind of miss. Still using LTSB 1607 for my portable windows flashdrives, as there seems to be issues using newer ones (at least when you build them with rufus).
     

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    I know you can easily remove with https://www.grc.com/inspectre.htm. Just disable both, restart and that's it.
     
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    Thanks, but I think I read that it would leave a change on the CPU(only some models?), even after removal. Would like to leave it as is.
    Would be nice if there was such a tool for ISO images.
     
  18. Enterprise24

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    LTSC vs LTSB

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    DX12 isn't bad like 1903 despite I didn't touch CFG so I think we can't blame Nvidia driver. It is probably Microsoft fault.
    Can we please ignore Civilization VI one time spike that result in utterly bad frametimes ? It only happen before the benchmark begin. Otherwise frametimes are buttery smooth.
    I also verify results several times in games like Project Cars 2 , Totalwar and SOTTR but looks like LTSC can't match LTSB.
     
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    wow :eek:. why is this exactly? spectre, meltdown,... o_O?
     
  20. Enterprise24

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    1607 is always king in Windows 10 benchmarking (both 2D and 3D). Many overclockers consider 1607 performing closest to Windows 7.
    Even before meltdown / spectre etc... strike we have 1703 1709 1803 but nothing can match 1607.
     

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