Windows 10 crashing on older hardware.

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  1. mmicrosysm2

    mmicrosysm2 Member Guru

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    So I've been running Windows 10 Home on a Lenovo (originally came pre-installed with 8.1) Laptop since the Preview with no issues.

    Couple of weeks ago I installed Windows 10 Pro onto a Dell Vostro 430. This system ran Windows 7 Home Premium for years with no issues. Since installing a fresh install of Windows 10 Pro this system constantly crashes. First thought it was ram, replaced the ram and it still randomly crashes. So I replaced the HDD by cloning the contents from the old to the new HDD. Still the system randomly crashes.

    Now I have completely reinstalled the OS onto a SSD drive. Installed my drivers, apps and ran Windows updates. After about 4 hrs of running the system it crashed. The event log only shows two errors every time it crashes.


    System Specs:

    Dell Vostro 430
    Intel i3 530 2.93GHz
    Corsair 8GB (4x2)
    256GB Crucial M550 SSD
    1TB Toshiba HDD
    Nvidia GeForce 310
    Dell/Intel Mainboard w/Intel 5 Series Chipset


    I'm about to give up on the POS OS
     
  2. bobmitch

    bobmitch Master Guru

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    I just finished helping a friend install Win 10 on his LGA 775 desktop with the same crashes. We were able to fix it by disabling hibernate. I know that is a pain for laptop, but power saving in Windows 10 is a real mess. Give that a try.
     
  3. mmicrosysm2

    mmicrosysm2 Member Guru

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    This is a desktop so disabling Hibernate is a not a problem. I'll look into it

    I re-installed Windows 10 again and went right into the Event Log after it logged in to the desktop. For a freshly installed OS sure is a lot of errors going on. SVCHOST keeps crashing based on the Event Log.
     
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    Also make sure that your power scheme is High Power with any kind of sleep disabled. Windows 10 has horrible sleep function.
     

  5. Dch48

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    The first thing I do on any computer with any Windows version is disable hibernation. I have Win 10 Pro 32 bit installed on my 2006 AMD Turion64 single core HP laptop that came with XP and it runs just as good with 10 as it did with XP. Hibernation is turned off but the sleep functions are still enabled with no problems. The OS has never crashed and it was installed as an upgrade from 8.1 by using the media creation tool.
     
  6. mmicrosysm2

    mmicrosysm2 Member Guru

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    K after running 1.5Hrs I ran SFC for kicks and it found corruption and could not fix it. I about done with Windows 10 as it seems to be a POS out of the box. System has ran fine for those 1.5hrs so not sure how any system file got corrupted unless the source Microsoft.com was corrupted. Only thing installed was my GFX driver and Windows updates.

    If this system did not run fine with 7 I would deem the mainboard or CPU as bad. I've already ruled out HDD and Ram as both have been upgraded after the initial Windows 10 crashes.

    Just for kicks I scanned the drive with no issues
    [​IMG]
     
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  7. Dch48

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    As a side note to Windows 10 and older hardware, I recently installed Win 7 Home Premium 32 bit on a 2008 vintage eMachines desktop with a Celeron 420 single core CPU. I did it to finally get rid of Vista. Now there is the "Get Windows 10" icon in the system tray which I was sure I had removed. I clicked on it just to see what would happen and after a minute or two, it said that the computer could not be upgraded to Windows 10 because the GPU was not compatible. It has the Nvidia integrated GeForce 7050 and on Nvidia's forums it even says that it is not compatible with 10 and never will be. This is the first instance I have seen where a computer could not run Windows 10.
     
  8. mmicrosysm2

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    I'm really thinking Windows 10 does not like my hardware, I know the GFX card is supported as there is a Win10 driver from NVidia. But the rest of the system has generic Windows drivers. For example the SATA controller is a 'Standard SATA AHCI Controller'. I checked Intel's website and do not see any Windows 10 drivers what's up with that?
     
  9. Dch48

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    Have you checked for motherboard chipset drivers?
     
  10. Dch48

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    This site may help. Many times Win 7 drivers will work in Win 10. It says, however that the product is not supported for 10. Or anything past 7 for that matter.

    http://www.dell.com/support/home/us/en/19/product-support/product/vostro-430/drivers?os=w732
     
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  11. mmicrosysm2

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    Yeah no Windows 10 drivers from Dell nor Intel. I gave up on 10 and reinstalled Windows 7. So far 12+ hours and no errors in the even log nor any crashes. Plus the system runs faster than it did with 10 on this SDD drive, I'm sure that is due to drivers support.

    After my dealing with this system why is Microsoft pushing 10 on systems running Windows 7 if there is going to be no driver support for that hardware?
     
  12. CalculuS

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    They are not pushing it, it just gives every windows PC a notification. It doesn't check for compatibility beforehand.
     
  13. mmicrosysm2

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    A notification that does not allow you to opt out unless you are a savvy computer person. So it is pushed as there is no option to stop the pop up appearing at every startup!

    Also I have had many client upgrade to Windows 10 because of MS relentless POP UP. My clients thought they had to as they feared losing support for their current OS. Most came in afterwards as their system either did not run right or apps they used no longer worked. Some even had the Black Screen of Death appear after the upgrade completed.
     
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  14. CalculuS

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    You're complaining about win 10 in general, my point was only for the fact that you said they push the update even on not compatible system to which I replied they simply pushed it to everyone and then check if they are compatible.
     
  15. mcmorj

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    After an enormous amount of grief, testing, installing, re-installing, I have come to the reliable conclusion that my older hardware (11 years old) was crashing due to old and out of support graphics card. The windows generic driver was loaded and I then tried the W7/64 driver when no Win10 driver was available. This improved things a little but not much. I replaced the older graphics cards with a newer nvidia 550ti and installed the Win10/64 official drivers - not a squeak since. And this from an IDENTICAL PC with NO SOFTWARE OR HARDWARE Changes other than the graphics card. The PC used to frequently fail even before I got to the login screen. I know the graphics card is physically fine because I moved it to a Win7 / 32 PC and it has performed faultlessly.
    I know this may be cold comfort for people with laptops where this option is not possible to pursue.
     

  16. Astyanax

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    Windows 10 generally runs fine on core 2 and later systems, the setups that have issues are typically OEM systems with missing ACPI fields, wifi devices with poorly vetted drivers and a particular case of microsoft breaking vtd on asus boards.....
     

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