Windows 10 CPU Bug Fix Patch Benchmarks

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  1. sykozis

    sykozis Ancient Guru

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    The media didn't "over rate" the impact. The impact is very workload dependent, as stated in every report I've read. Phoronix has noted performance impacts upwards of 20%+ in some database software. Just because it doesn't affect a certain subset of users, doesn't mean that the performance impact, as a whole, is overrated.
     
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    user1 Ancient Guru

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    The only thing that ive noticed since installing the patch, is that the nvidia control panel feels like it loads even slower than before lmao. but that could just be my mind playing tricks on me.
     
  3. Fox2232

    Fox2232 Ancient Guru

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    There is another view on it. Not everyone gets patch into working state or gets to feel full effect. Myself on insider build, and it is not available.
    If some system is already dragging feet due to antivirus...
     
  4. Ryu5uzaku

    Ryu5uzaku Ancient Guru

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    These patches should hit cloud providers hardest simply because of the nature of what they are doing. Most likely really limited on singular users.
     

  5. Hilbert Hagedoorn

    Hilbert Hagedoorn Don Vito Corleone Staff Member

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    The script refuses to run, unfortunately, I am stuck. This happens on all machines. No way to verify ATM:

    Code:
    PS C:\> Install-Module SpeculationControl
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    PS C:\> Get-SpeculationControlSettings
    Get-SpeculationControlSettings : The 'Get-SpeculationControlSettings' command was found in the module
    'SpeculationControl', but the module could not be loaded. For more information, run 'Import-Module SpeculationControl'.
    At line:1 char:1
    + Get-SpeculationControlSettings
    + ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
        + CategoryInfo          : ObjectNotFound: (Get-SpeculationControlSettings:String) [], CommandNotFoundException
        + FullyQualifiedErrorId : CouldNotAutoloadMatchingModule
     
  6. RooiKreef

    RooiKreef Master Guru

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    This is such a marginal performance dip, I'm sure they can fix that with a small driver tweak.
     
  7. DashD

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    Are you running the latest bios?

    Techspot article reports a 23% drop. I've read another user report with the same drop.
     
  8. DashD

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    Same here.
    Did you try the NVME test with the latest bios?
    Just tried on a friend machine : with the patch already installed, the performance drop occurs after the 1003 bios update, not after the patch install (but yeah, sample size of 1).
     
  9. user1

    user1 Ancient Guru

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    i had the same error , had to change the execution policy temporarily to run it

    you can check the execution policy by running" get-executionpolicy "

    if it says restricted, you must change it to RemoteSigned

    using " Set-ExecutionPolicy RemoteSigned " while powershell is running in administrator mode

    you can revert it to restricted mode by doing " Set-ExecutionPolicy restricted "
     
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    khanmein Ancient Guru

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  11. mbk1969

    mbk1969 Ancient Guru

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    Lets start a troubleshooting session.
    1. When I executed command "Install-Module SpeculationControl" I was asked whether I want to update NuGet provider to newer version. So we can assume that this "SpeculationControl" module is from NuGet provider.

    2. Check whether NuGet PowerShell provider for packages is installed in your system - execute command "Get-PackageProvider | select Name, Version" (in PowerShell).
    Mine list of providers:
    Code:
    Name          Version
    ----          -------
    msi           3.0.0.0
    msu           3.0.0.0
    NuGet         2.8.5.208
    PowerShellGet 1.0.0.1
    Programs      3.0.0.0
    

    3. Try to force the installation of NuGet provider - "Install-PackageProvider -Name nuget -force -RequiredVersion 2.8.5.208".

    4. Check for providers again - "Get-PackageProvider".

    For more details read
    https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/powershell/gallery/psget/oneget/packagemanagement_cmdlets
     
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  12. Hilbert Hagedoorn

    Hilbert Hagedoorn Don Vito Corleone Staff Member

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    Got patch verification working - ASUS BIOS 1003:
    I am currently running some additional tests. File IO seems to take a significant hit specifically at 4K workloads. SATA3 perf overall seems fine although here as well a drop off at 4K.

     
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    AsiJu Ancient Guru

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    Thank you! If you can find the time please do a run on a Ryzen platform as requested, just to confirm what seems to be the case (even bigger penalty than Intel).
     
  14. OlivierMDVY

    OlivierMDVY Master Guru

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    What if I do not upgrade my bios to 1003?
     
  15. Hilbert Hagedoorn

    Hilbert Hagedoorn Don Vito Corleone Staff Member

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    Certain protections would not kick in.
     

  16. mbk1969

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    Hackers will take your rig and use it to store porn. And you even will not know about that and hence you will not be able to watch it. o_O
     
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  17. Hilbert Hagedoorn

    Hilbert Hagedoorn Don Vito Corleone Staff Member

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    I have an MSI Ryzen setup installed here and the new BIOSes are not available yet. Currently, my generic advice is to wait it out a bit, make sure you install the patch and when new BIOSes are available to install it. Continuously testing this seems to be propagating that I am always one step behind. This all needs some time.

    I did install the patch on my MSI Ryzen 7 Work setup, but am not seeing anything shocking atm. But again, I want to wait and see what updated BIOSes have for an effect.

    Overall though from the Intel platform test experiences, it's 4K File IO that takes a hit, more noticeably so with fast NVMe drives. Bad yes, would you ever notice it in a real-world experience as gamer/desktop use ... I doubt it. You can check the updated results in the article to see what is going on.
     
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  18. Evildead666

    Evildead666 Maha Guru

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    Cheers for taking the time to redo some tests, and keep us up to date :)
     
  19. GRaFkiyv

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    -17% ssd write short 4k - too bad ! :(
     
  20. albert89

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    If there was ever a litmus test for a Intel shill reviewer it would have to go to guru3D. I mean seriously, they chose apps/games that were the least affected by the Intel security patch then concluded that the whole dilemma wasn't as bad as we all thought. I have no doubt that Linus & Jays2cents co-authored this shill of a review. The truth is, the performance drop of Intel CPU's is a lot worse: 20-35%.
     

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