Which is better?? FX or Phenom

Discussion in 'Processors and motherboards AMD' started by J.B.west, Apr 15, 2012.

  1. J.B.west

    J.B.west Banned

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    Im a noob when knowing which of those 2 are better....so which is the best of the 2?? I should mention Im looking for better gaming performance
     
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    I would go with the P2 over Bulldozer. the gaming experience is almost dead on. its not a very good upgrade
     
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    I have a P2 quad 965BE right now, I probably wont upgrade
     
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  5. sykozis

    sykozis Ancient Guru

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    If better gaming performance is your goal.....switch to Intel or wait to see how Piledriver does when it gets released next year... I wouldn't spend the money on Bulldozer for gaming.


    In Hilbert's review, which ---TK--- linked to, look at the FarCry2 and Crysis2 benchmark. The FX-8150 is only 10-15% faster than an older, lower clocked Core i5 661...
     
  6. IcE

    IcE Don Snow Staff Member

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    Phenom is actually better. Especially Thuban.
     
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    For OC'd gaming performance, AMD CPU rankings

    AMD FX 8150 + Patch (4 Module)
    AMD FX 8120 + Patch (4 Module)
    AMD Phenom II X6 110t,1090t,1075t (6 core)
    Phenom II X4 960t (4 core)
    AMD FX 6200 (3 Module)
    Phenom II X4 980/975/970/965 (4 core)
    AMD FX 6100 (3 module)
    Phenom II X4 955 (4 core)
    AMD FX 4170 (2 Module)
    Phenom II X4 940, 945 (4 Core)
    AMD FX 4100 (2 Module)
     
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    IcE Don Snow Staff Member

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    I'm sorry but you seriously can't argue that an FX is better than a Thuban in gaming performance. Not only does Thuban have higher per thread performance but it also doesn't have a crippled amount of FP processors. Just because there's very little spread in benchmarks as of now doesn't mean anything. I'm sure in BF3 MP with 64 players, a 1090T would get a higher bench at the same clocks as an 8150.
     
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    6 core thuban is as good as it gets right now on the amd side. especially at 4ghz.
     
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    My 6 core Phenom II 6X 1100t BE , is Top dog in games especially overclocked in the AMD world till they can bring me something better!
     

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    If you're doing heavily multithreaded work then AMD FX would be better. If gaming is your main prerogative, then Intel or AMD Thuban would be better.

    deltatux
     
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    Lol, nice to see you outside of your own thread for once. As for the 960T, if you're lucky it can be unlocked to an X6.
     
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    For the applications and games out today, PhII. For the applications out at some future, unknown point in time, maybe FX. But by the time software catches up, FX may be woefully out of date.

    Right this second, unfortunately I can not recomend anything AMD with a good conscience. And that is reflected in my advice to my clients. If you can, wait for Piledriver (and god knows when thats coming) in the long term, or jump ship to Sandy/Ivy Bridge in the short term. Your looking at roughly the same cost.

    If you have to get a new mobo due to socket change (eg: from AM2 to AM3+), it's an incredible waste of money to go AMD. As someone who has stuck by AMD since the T-bird, it pains me to say that.

    Edit: just looked at your rig. Keep your 965, you'd have to get a new mobo for an FX.
     
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    The only time it's a good idea to upgrade to AMD is if you have a board that supports a Thuban and an outdated X2 or Athlon processor. In that case it's probably a good idea. Any other time though, nope.
     
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    I stayed with AMD from the 486 days up until the original Phenom. The end of AMD being competitive came with the launch of the Core 2 series....and it was a pretty sad day for AMD supporters that knew AMD's reign was over. Currently, the only thing from AMD worth recommending is their APUs for entry-level or multimedia systems. Hopefully Trinity doesn't turn out to be the same flop Bulldozer is...
     

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    yup! thats exactly why its placed higher up. But this list is for absolute maximum oc , let me restate with more clarification. Overclocks have an error +- 0.1 Ghz.

    AMD FX 8150 + Patch (4 Module) @ 4.8 Ghz
    AMD FX 8120 + Patch (4 Module) @ 4.8 Ghz
    AMD Phenom II X6 110t,1090t,1075t (6 core) @ 4.2/4.1/4.0 Ghz
    Phenom II X4 960t (4 core) @ 4 Ghz (Could unlock to 6 cores)
    AMD FX 6200 (3 Module) @ 4.8 Ghz
    Phenom II X4 980/975/970/965 (4 core) @ 4.3 / 4.2 / 4.2 / 4.1 Ghz
    AMD FX 6100 (3 module) @ 4.6 Ghz
    Phenom II X4 955 (4 core) @ 4.0 Ghz
    AMD FX 4170 (2 Module) @ 4.9 Ghz
    Phenom II X4 945, 940 (4 Core) @ 4.0/3.9 Ghz
    AMD FX 4100 (2 Module) @ 4.6 Ghz


    For Comparison, Tomshardware's list @ stock settings (non overclocked)

    FX-4170
    Phenom II X6 1100T BE, 1090T BE
    Phenom II X4 Black Edition 980, 975
    FX-8150, -6200
    Phenom II X6 1075T
    Phenom II X4 Black Edition 970, 965, 955
    FX-8120, -6100, -4100
    Phenom II X6 1055T, 1045T
    Phenom II X4 945, 940, 920, 910, 910e, 810
    Phenom II X3 Black Edition 720, 740
    A8-3850, -3870K

    Best to worst - top to bottom

    Yes so even tomshardware thinks the best AMD gaming cpu @ stock settings is the 4.3 Ghz FX 4170. But i still disagree with this.
     
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  17. Pill Monster

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    Well that list is for CPU's at stock clocks...a 965 @4.0Ghz will be faster than a 980@ 3.7Ghz..

    There's no way to tell what the maximum OC will be for a given CPU, no 2 chips overclock the same - my 955 is a prime example of that.



    No he won't. His board is AM3 and compatible with BD.
     
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  18. DarthElvis

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    You sure about that? His board is socket AM3, true, but BD requires socket AM3+. Gigabytes own site says nothing about supporting the FX line. And as a budget 870 chipset, I doubt Gigabyte will enable support in bios, even if you could physically install the chip. He could, however get a Thuban. But he may as well hold on to his 965 and clock the crap out of it. Save his dough for an upgrade in the future.

    Personally, I think a graphics upgrade would serve the OP better at this point as far as gaming performance goes.
     
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    Gigabyte may not offer BD support but ASUS does.

    http://www.techspot.com/news/42883-asus-am3-motherboards-get-beta-bios-bulldozer-support.html
    http://support.asus.com/cpusupport/...9GTD PRO/USB3&os=30&hashedid=eCWbkolMf0DOW0IV

    I agree the OP should just keep his 965....
     
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