Which 460 should i get?

Discussion in 'Videocards - NVIDIA GeForce' started by JohnRay, Aug 11, 2010.

  1. JohnRay

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    When would we expect to see the 485/95s?

    And do you think that they would actually lower the price of the 460, or just be priced higher than it.
     
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  2. ThEcLiT

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    I had the Palit and couldn't get it stable above 850 even with voltage.

    The evga 1gb sc is at 900 mhz and 4200 mhz on mem and is rock stable. But yes, the fan does have a whine, but only comes on when you're running something like kombustor, i dont hear the fan at all when playing bc2 or sc2.
     
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    i have the palit sonic non platinum and it is no good at 800 MHz core with stock voltage.
     

  5. Halli

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    Go with a 465 that way you have a gf100 core.
     
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    Well that's a first. Someone recommending 465 over 460.
     
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    He owns one ;) (Or so the sig says :p)
     
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    this one got me by surprise. it goes against everything I've read everywhere. :3eyes:
     
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    Iam a guessing Halli is thinking core VALUE. GF100 is the Enthusiast core while GF104 is lower mainstream core.
     
  10. Sneakers

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    Well from what I have seen, and I looked at maybe 15 diffrent reviews regarding both 460 and 465.

    The 465 is always faster at the same clocks, problem here is the 460 seem to OC 850-925 without heat becomming an issue where the 465 seems to stop at 830-860 and here the FAN becomes an issue.

    I have seen OCed 465 @ 860 vs OCed 460 @ 900 and they are neck by neck at these clocks, in one title the 465 has 2-3 fps higher where the 460 has a bit higher min fps and in the next title the 460 have a little higher max fps where the 465 has higher min. They are very very close, the diffrence here and wich swinged me a bit is that the 460 is like 10 degrees cooler, and on some models even more wich means less fan noise and when going SLI that is a MAYOR MAYOR thing for atleast me comming off a 4870x2 wich drives me insane sometimes :p

    I'm personally looking at the gigabyte or msi cyclone model, not really sure wich model I will get but it depends mostly on the fan noise since I think both will reach 850-900 on C fairly easy wich puts it at the maximum OC performance of a 465 anyway.
     

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    Not quit sure what you are saying. 675 MHz is an overclocked 465. 607 MHz is an underclocker 460. A 465 Overclocked 11% should beat a stock 460.
    But at stock speeds the reviews Ive read have the 460 1GB version beating the 465 at my preferred resolution and QI setting.
    And do not buy the Palit Sonic.
     
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    Wait the New MSI N460GTX Hawk ! :D
     
  13. Sneakers

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    Well thats a skewed way of looking at things.

    The two cards ain't the same since well they ain't the same chip and they function diffrently.

    The 607 standard clock on the 465 is arbitrary since the card is capable of much much more then that, so the only fair comparision is both cards at a respectable and MAX OC.

    The 465 seem to OC to 800 easily and the MAX OC seems to lay between 830 and 860 wich is an extreme OC from 607.

    The 460 seem to OC to 850 easily and the MAX OC seems to lay between 890 and 925 ( from all reviews I seen ).

    Now the point of my previous post was to point out how close these cards perform once they hare OCed to a respectable level and a MAX OC, it is so close that you will get 2-3 fps diffrence in various titles wich the cards taking turns in beeing the winner depending on what the game engine favors, SP's or pure clock speed. The 465 is a clear winner when it comes to tesselation performance but that is pointless atm. While the 460 seems to run on alot lower temps meaning alot lower fan rpm wich in turn means less fan noise, even with the exact same fan solution. When it comes to SLI where these two cards ( atleast in my book ) becomes viable less fan noise and less heat but at same performance level is a clear advantage.

    Follow my reasoning abit better now aye :)?

    /edit

    Reread your post get what your saying now. But the point is that at the clocks you described the 460 might beat the 465 clearly but the higher on the clocks you go the more it benefits those extra shader processors/ Cuda cores on the 465 and it becomes alot closer, so close that the only real advantage of a 460 is the lower heatoutput from the 104 chip contra the 100 chip.

    I'll point you to 2 reviews that will lay down the raw data for ye :)

    460 max OC

    SLI 460 max OC

    465 max OC

    SLI 465 max OC

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    Lol after rereading the reviews myself I'm leaning toward 465s again lol, especially when in SLI they shine with their minimum fps wich seems to always be a tad higher then that of the 460s. Then again less fan noise has its value aswell, so again I think the smart choice is highly OCed 460s when going SLI.
     
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    Borked up my editing, mod can delete this post.
     
  15. Sneakers

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    Lol 1000 mhz standard clock??

    Hmm, when is this comming out and what will the retail price be :)?

    Those in SLI would be :infinity:

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    Ah, they are clockable to 1000 mhz, thats still pritty crazy and it uses the Twin frozr fan solution. Might not be that much more expensive then since the 465 with twin frozr costs like 10% more then standard fan solution ones.
     
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    In my land this model cost : 289 Switzerland francs

    Xe.com conversion = 277 $

    She arrives end august/beginning September
     
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    I have a Zotac and it is pretty plain jane but it idles very cool and over clocks very well and is quiet.It barely goes above 65C under load.I can barely hear it above my Haf 932 case fans which are pretty quiet as well.
     
  18. Sneakers

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    Hmm 277$ is abit more then I was hoping for :( more then 500 dollars for SLI.

    I can get a gigabyte 715 mhz with their dual fan at 208 dollars atm, and the MSI cyclone for 218 dollars. Still 1000 mhz with the twin frozr is a sweet deal but a tad expensive. Hopefully that ain't the final retail price but wouldn't surprise me if it is very close to 280$ mark.
     
  19. [EXC]NaNthor

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    well it depends.
    I know that all cards don't have any memory and VRM cooling, except for the Gigabyte and the Zotac AMP!. The Gigabyte has VRM cooling, but no memory cooling. The Zotac AMP! has both VRM and memcooling.

    Personally, I am a big fan of Gainward since they have one of the best cores and cooling solutions, but with the GTX460 series, they do not include the vrm and memory cooling. They do offer one of the quickest GTX460, the GTX460 GoldenSample GLH, but they lack the VRM and the memory cooling. I've emailed gainward about this, but they say their cards were stressed very heavily but the temperature of the mem and VRM stayed under thresholds.

    There are currently 4 GTX460 models with the highest clocks:
    1: Point of View TGT GTX460 1GB Ultracharged (820MHz/2000Mhz)
    2: Zotac AMP! GTX460 1GB (810Mhz/2000MHz)
    3: Gainward GTX460 GoldenSample GLH 1GB (800MHz/2000MHz)
    4: Palit GTX460 Sonic platinum 1GB (800MHz/2000MHz)

    The POV has just been released and I cannot find any information about the cooling of VRM/memory. I also cannot find anything about the heatsinkmaterial. I know that Gainward uses copper for the GPU cooling plate and copper heatpipes and aluminium heatsinks.

    I also know that Gigabyte's cooler is not the best of all coolers, but they do have the VRM cooling. Their overclock is also not one of the best. They offer a 715MHz clock speed while others are much higher.

    Good reviews:
    1: Gainward: http://www.fudzilla.com/reviews/reviews/reviews/gainward-gtx-460-gs-goes-like-hell-tested

    Please note that fudzilla received a sample GTX460 for this review which does have the VRM cooling, but Gainward stated they are not present on the cards.

    2: Zotac: http://www.hardwareheaven.com/revie...60-amp-graphics-card-review-introduction.html

    Preview of the fastest GTX460:
    http://www.fudzilla.com/reviews/rev...akes-povs-gtx-460-the-fastest-gtx-u460-around

    To come back to the TS' question. Nowdays, all brands deliver good cards. It depends a bit what you think it is important. I don't mind the noise, I don't mind the whole bundle package that comes with it. Others think it is important to have as little noise as possible.
    I think cooling is superior to noise, because good cooling means longer lifetime.
     
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  20. SirDremor

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    I am with both hands for Gigabyte!

    I've got 2 myself and am SO happy... as a child!
    Cards are silent, cool and FAST, really FAST.
    And, yeah, overclocks amazing!


    P.S. if you want 70% fan speed cap removed, flash to F2 bios, it's already in the Net.
     

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