WDDM 2.2 in Creators update and drivers

Discussion in 'Videocards - NVIDIA GeForce Drivers Section' started by Carfax, Mar 15, 2017.

  1. Carfax

    Carfax Ancient Guru

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    The most up to date Windows 10 preview build is 15058, and this is the first build which actually has the 1703 version number, which means this version is the closest thing we have to the actual final release.

    Previous Windows 10 previews all used the 16xx version number. Anyway, I've noticed with this version that I'm seeing more hiccups and lag compared to previous builds, and I'm wondering whether that has anything to do with the current drivers not being fully optimized for the Creators release.

    Creator's release will have WDDM 2.2, which will likely require newer drivers from both NVidia and AMD. If you may recall, last year when the Anniversary build launched, NVidia came out with specific Anniversary edition drivers.

    So they may do something similar for the Creators release. The Creators update looks like it will be pretty significant as far as gaming goes. :banana:
     
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    Eh, probably not really - at least not for those who already have a decent rig.
    All of those tweaks done by NVIDIA or Microsoft to enhance gaming performance always mostly benefit low-end users and even then it's a marginal improvement.
     
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    WDDM 2.2 further improves Windows' handling of HDR and WCG. Unless you have such display not much will change for you.
     
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    Both AMD and Nvidia apparently have experimental Shader Model 6.0 support in their latest drivers on the latest insider build

    Haven't seen Nvidia comment it but Shader Model 6.0 will probably just be Maxwell 2 and onwards?
     

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    SM6.0 will require FL12_0 so yeah, Maxwell2+ for NV, GCN2+ for AMD and Skylake+ for Intel.
     
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    very bad version 15058, wow!!!
    It's very slow when delete file and open program all unlock for a much time
     
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    This is probably what's causing my issues with weird slowdowns and lag which I never experienced before on previous insider builds. Reinstalling the driver fixed most of the problems, except one that is occurring in Deus Ex MD.

    Hopefully NVidia will release their Creator update optimized drivers as soon as possible.
     
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    No issues here. This version is actually very fast for me. There's supposed to be another build released by the end of the week though, so if 15058 is giving you problems, you may want to try the newer one.
     
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    SM6.0 can't cause any issues in programs which aren't using it and as of right now there are no programs which are using SM6.0.
     
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    Anybody can test sm6.0 from now on with latest insider(Windows 10 Creators) and amd driver. Not sure about nvidia. Before , everybody had to use WARP.
     

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    Ok. How is that changes what I've said?
     
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    Did i say it change it?

    If ms will enable kepler and maxwell v1 support on sm6.0 then amd gcn 1 will be supported as well. According to the current plan, from gcn 2.0 and up , maxwell v2 and up getting support on sm6.0. Nvidia users can enjoy a gimped support .
     
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    Again, I've already said this.

    And yes, Nvidia users can enjoy "gimped" support of FL12_1 while AMD users will enjoy their glorious full FL12_0.
     
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    I see no benefit of FL12_1 in sm 6.0 . Maybe you can link something to see it.
     

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    Interesting, but since we're on this tangent, I haven't really seen any good write ups about the benefits of SM6.0 compared to previous editions that is explained in layman's terms.

    Can you or dr_rus tell us what we as gamers should expect from SM6.0? Will it improve performance, image quality or both?
     
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    The big thing in SM6.0 (and arguably the only thing of note) is the ability to make use of the GPUs parallelism directly from inside the shaders, ie. multi-threading for shaders, if you will.

    They also improved the shader compilation process and gave them a more optimized path to get to the hardware, to fit into a DX12 landscape.
    An interesting part is that its fully backwards compatible to SM5, so the compiler improvements can be used very easily.
     
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    Performance and code migration benefit. Amd driver is pretty much ready for DXIL v1.0 , while nvidia is still getting ready for it.
    Lot of instructions can be use more efficient. Further test will say more about this.
     
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    lol. Pretty much wrote the same thing :D
     
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