Water Cooling - Buyers Guide

Discussion in 'Die-hard Overclocking & Case Modifications' started by Preachergeek, Feb 7, 2007.

  1. (IRE)Wolfman

    (IRE)Wolfman Ancient Guru

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    How is my Kandalf lcs rated is it really bad, its a thermaltake
    i was going to get a thermatake volcano 4008 heat exchanger, to improve things?
     
  2. _A-c-3_

    _A-c-3_ Master Guru

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    i am looking at buying some water ooling for my system :D say around the 300 aus dollar mark. is there anything like that from an australian company?

    thank you
     
  3. Preachergeek

    Preachergeek Ancient Guru

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    It isn't well rated as a kit, how are your temps atm though?

    I really wouldn't bother getting the volcano 4008, if you were really looking to improve performance with a new block, i'd go for the D-Tek Fuzion or Apogee gtx blocks. Both are very good and will cost roughly the same to that Volcano whilst outperforming it.

    You might want to watch out for corrosion in your loop btw, as your radiator is probably aluminium since that's what Thermaltake normally do. Might want to watch out for that.
     
  4. Preachergeek

    Preachergeek Ancient Guru

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    sorry but i don't know any Australian water cooling companys. If you point one out to me i'd be happy to go through it and find some good stuff for your price range.
     

  5. (IRE)Wolfman

    (IRE)Wolfman Ancient Guru

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    at stock i get 35c on cpu 34c ambient and 40c on cores idle

    i was thinking of scraping it all and getting a swiftec kit 220 apex ultra

    i was getting temps of 38c on cpu 35c on ambient and 42c on cores idle at 3.6
    but on load the cores went to 70c

    on stock they go 55c-60c, so the cooling is rubbish

    i did get better temps once but after a heatwave my temps rose by 4c
    and i decided to clean my loop and start again because i was getting bsod

    never thought of the heatwave at the time was the cause

    had to undervolt at the time to get it working

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    what temps should i get on te swifttech

    my ambient is always 33-36c

    also would a thermalright ultra 120 be better than my lcs

    i have heard of it getting 27c idle and 37c load


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    yeah its alu, why do they sell such crap. when i bought it all i heard was good
    wish i looked here first
    could have gotten a swifttech and cheaper case as the lcs is expensive
    i got a 250mm sidepanel to keep ambient temps down

    i have so many fans in the case if the thermalright does better than my water cooling i'll get that
     
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  6. Preachergeek

    Preachergeek Ancient Guru

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    The Swiftech H20-220 Apex Ultra is a great kit and should keep your cpu within 15C of the ambient temps at full load with a reasonable overclock. For example in your very hot conditions i would expect load temps of about 55C at 3.6ghz.

    I expect the Thermalright ultra 120 would outperform the thermaltake kit if fitted with a high enough cfm fan, but obviously the Swiftech will give much better results than this.

    I dunno why thermaltake continue to produce these shoddy watercooling kits. Probably because people continue to buy them. They did this with PSU's for a while, but have now come a long way to fixing it with the Toughpower which is a good psu. Hopefully they do the same for their watercooling products at some point.
     
  7. (IRE)Wolfman

    (IRE)Wolfman Ancient Guru

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    my temps seem no better than a stock intel fan LOL :eek:c:
     
  8. John

    John Ancient Guru

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    That would depend greatly on:
    1) Vcore
    2) CPU revision.
    3) Ambient temperatures
    4) IHS quality

    It's a bit "dangerous" to just put out estimations like that when you don't know any of the above factors. For example: I have an older rev. B C2D, which apparently runs much hotter than any other C2D out there, and I even lapped mine.
     
  9. Preachergeek

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    I agree, but it was just an expected rough figure. I didn't mean it to be anything like an exact figure.
     
  10. (IRE)Wolfman

    (IRE)Wolfman Ancient Guru

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    My system temps never go under 30c

    I assume this is because of my 8800GTX @ 48c

    and my Cpu is now at 1v @26c idle cores 30c

    I have a 680i and the nothbridge gets hot is this why the system is warm

    Because the room isn't hot

    Should i be able to get lower system temps the way i am now

    My system should have good air flow
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    1 120 fan is on a reversed empty hdd cage pointing towards the 8800
    1 120 at the back, 90 above it, and a 250 on the sidepanel
    [​IMG]
     
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  11. (IRE)Wolfman

    (IRE)Wolfman Ancient Guru

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    @ 1v my load with orthos is 33c on cores
    should i get lower seen as some get this at stock?

    ok pat will do:bounce: :bat: :help: :(
     
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  12. Patriote

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    ROFL Wolfman your funny. You gotta calm down! Thats the third post you make about the same god damn subject! Just wait a lil more and someone will answer on your post!
     
  13. (IRE)Wolfman

    (IRE)Wolfman Ancient Guru

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    Do you think the Swiftech MCW6500-T would work in my setup?
     
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    John Ancient Guru

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    The MCW6500-T is a TEC powered waterblock. If you don't know what that is, I suggest you to move on. I would not under any circumstances recommend to use this block with your TT watercooling kit. Besides, that block probably does not have a powerful enough TEC element to cool down an overclocked C2D. Have a look at this review: http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/swiftech_mcw6500t/
    As you see, it has big trouble cooling an Opteron @ 2.8GHz.
     
  15. (IRE)Wolfman

    (IRE)Wolfman Ancient Guru

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    I know, my flowrate not good enough or something?

    would the swiftec ultra 220 do the job then,

    i'm looking this way

    1. Thermalright ifx14(air)

    or

    2. Swiftech 220 ultra

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    3. S 220 + tec

    my temps are steady now at 1v 24-27c cpu, 27-30c cores, 27-30c system @idle

    @ stock volts 1.288 temps are 4-5c higher


    Option 2. is prob. the best, i'm waiting till August to decide
     
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  16. John

    John Ancient Guru

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    I read that comment, and while the C2D is rated 65W at stock, that number more than doubleswhen you crank the voltage/frequency. TEC's are awfully unefficient, and that's why no-one uses them anymore. The TEC on that block is 226w, which means it will draw over 18amps from your 12v rail alone, at all times. This block will likely give you much better idle temperatures, but on load the differences are small, if any, compared to ordinary high-end watercooling. Don't forget that you'll need a good radiator and pump in the first place to run this TEC block. Your TT kit will not do.

    The choice is quite simple. Get the Swiftech Apex kit. It's an excellent beginner's kit and comes with everything you need for a happy watercooled computer, and will outperform anything TT, Koolance or any of those can bring to the table.
     
  17. (IRE)Wolfman

    (IRE)Wolfman Ancient Guru

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    Thanx again John
     
  18. (IRE)Wolfman

    (IRE)Wolfman Ancient Guru

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    I want the CoolIT FreeZone :D
     
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    I'd get a conventional watercooling, it's far more efficient. Though I like the idea of beeing able to mount it on one 80mm fan.
     
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    G L Don Juan

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