I think you must compare for yourself, dont have much time next days. btw the #new" fog settings, shown in txgt's last post are integrated in the always rain mods I got one question. did you found a difference in the worse civiliandensity and vanilla? I start edit civiliandensity.lib today and the values wich used by the worse lowering values to increase people. I edit every preset and used very high values and only registerd much more civilians after load/start the game, after death, or sleep. but if i walk a while there are same (count) like vanilla. (THE VALUES TO INCREASE ARE THE LAST TWO BINHEX VALUES ) if you convert civilians.high.xml, civilians.low.xml and convert with binhex converter you ll get the values , wich Shows that use lower values should make more civilians, but raising them up too.