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Utah firing squad executes convicted killer

Discussion in 'The Guru's Pub' started by ScaryClown, Jun 18, 2010.

  1. dockap

    dockap Master Guru

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    oh i forgot about them. they are the biggest and worst serial killers/mass murderers
    beats me what punishment to give them?
     
  2. Liranan

    Liranan Ancient Guru

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    Thanks for the compliment, coming from you it's a delight. But, maybe you're right, I forgot to mention the corporations, the real masters of this world.

    That is a question I still haven't answered, unfortunately :(
     
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  3. dockap

    dockap Master Guru

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    what would you do if the victim was your sister/wife/father/brother/son/daughter who was raped/tortured/sexually abused slowly over days and killed
    kiss the serial killer on his ass and say oh lord forgive him and let him go so that he can destroy several more families
    i have said this before and i say it again they are not humans they may look like humans but they are worst than animals. they deserve no pity and no human rights only barbaric methods of punishment
     
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  4. Cronik

    Cronik Maha Guru

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    I like this quote.

     

  5. Liranan

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    You mean like the murderer, whose victim magically appeared out of nowhere?
     
  6. Liranan

    Liranan Ancient Guru

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    Yeah, it's very much like your personal insult. Keep wishing the internet will make you hard and kewl.

    What do you do when you have nothing intelligent to say? You make personal attacks!
     
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  7. dockap

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    20,50,100 years back was different many things took place without proof
    now with the advances in forensic science that probability is much much less
     
  8. Liranan

    Liranan Ancient Guru

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    You mean like when confessions are beaten out of you? That doesn't happen any longer?
     
  9. Cronik

    Cronik Maha Guru

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    Maybe its because I don't think its worth having an intelligent argument with you. :)


    Ive had to many of these arguments with people like you and I realise its only worth insulting you and believing you're just a mistake in human evolution.
     
  10. Liranan

    Liranan Ancient Guru

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    Exactly my point, thank you very much.
     

  11. Cronik

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    Exactly my point, thank you very much.
     
  12. Liranan

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    Ignoring Croniks personal and childish remarks and attacks the chance of a miscarriage of justice is large. While it's impossible to cure or heal a true psychopath I do not accept the notion that the one and only possible punishment is the death penalty. It's an arcane form of deterrance that never works, after all since when has even the possibility of any form of punishment stopped a psychopath from carrying out his or her crimes?

    I reject the argument that the family of the victim, or the victim itself, should have the right to see such criminals put to death, as pennance. We no longer live in the Middle Ages, mostly, and need to accept that society has moved on. Now, there are places that have not and remain in those same fundamentalist era's, and those places are considered barbaric, medieval and cruel.

    Fortunately, Europe has abolished the death penalty and it's my hope the rest of the world follows suit. If this is not easy to understand I will simply spam miscarriages of justice, proving that even the 'system' carries out gross crimes.
     
  13. hawkeyefan

    hawkeyefan Maha Guru

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    You do realize that this guy stole a bailiff's gun from him and then killed a lawyer with it in front of an entire courtroom full of witnessess, right?

    The margin for error with regard to miscarriage of justice was absolutely zero in this case.

    I agree generally with your point, as do many Americans. See: Illinois Innocence Project, let alone the fact that this is a massively contentious political issue, and that many states have no death penalty.
     
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    I don't think we need barbaric killing forms to rid of criminals.... if they have life in prison without possibility of being let out, then I believe they should be killed in the most human/cheapest way possible.
     
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    WOW Ok, worring about the corrections officers mentality is awfully nice of you. But the next statement totally blows me away. "Enjoys what they do" WTF. Its our job, You going to quit your job because of this? It's a big deal. Those that pulled the trigger were selected from a list of volunteer officers. Some people have the stomach for these kind of things. And I thank God for them, in my eye's they are heros....

    I have been there, I watched an inmate escorted from his cell to the chamber. It was dead quiet ( no punn intended ) not an inmate made a sound. Its a sobering experience watching someone walk towards their demise. Alot of staff were adversely affected, some needed time off, other's even resigned after the fact. But no one refused to due their duty that day.

    I have never spoke of this event outside the circle of my brothers, until now. I hope your comment was ill thought out, either way Please don't make light of these officers. We deal with things that most ordinary people refuse to acknowledge even exist.

    p.s. I fully support the death penalty.
     

  16. Solfaur

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    Hey I have nothing against the guards personally (even though I do know some people who joined police here, kind of similar to swat for the sole purpose that they get to beat up gypsies and other criminals, and yes they enjoy it). What bothers me more is the system. I know they get to deal with the scum of the earth however I don't know if all of those imnates deserve such treatment (and I know they get it anyway, in a lot of countries). To me it seems barbaric and pointless, they will continue to do crimes regardless of the beating. It's like with kids and why beating education never works. It just leads to more hate and more violence. Things are so cruel in a lot of places in this world that they would be better off killed, in that sense I am pro death penalty aswell.
     
  17. Zapmaster

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    Well, personally, I think any notion of accountability and punishment is a joke. No one is really accountable for anything, there are no such thing as good or bad people. Why? Because every decision you make is created by your brain. And every decision your brain makes is based on A.) Your intelligence 2.) Your past experiences 3.) Current influences. There is no, actual self, it's an illusion.

    So idea that death penalty is some form of justice is laughable, it's really about permament removal of human beings who are no longer wanted alive by society because of their actions. People just have a problem accepting that because they like to think that the fact they aren't criminals gives them the moral right to administer justice. When really the only difference between us and "them" is pure luck. Anyway, just my two cents. And I have no problem with removal of people from society because of what they've done (including death penalty), I just think it's silly to hide behind the shroud of morality and justice while doing it.
     
  18. Skiddywinks

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    +1.

    People need to get over execution as a punishment. It isn't. It is for the safety of everyone else. It isn't about revenge.

    As for the determinist views, I also happen to agree completely.
     
  19. ScaryClown

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    No, im not from US.
    I thought the US was more than just Queens or Bronx.
    I know that there are lot of happy people living in the US who feel satisfied and secure.
    My relatives live in Canada,they are happy average family.
     
  20. ScaryClown

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    I watched a show on Discovery Channel about the death penalty.
    Two guys,one in US other in Sweden committed similar crimes(personal gain)
    The guy in the US got death penalty via lethal injection,the guy in Sweden got prison time with rehabilitation,gym,TV,x-box,PC,a chance to finish community college and hopefully return to society.
    He said he regrets he did what he did and he wants to start a new life.

    On the other hand the guy with the death penalty is talking with his mum over the phone,while TV crew is filming,as he has to arrange his funeral and he needs her help.The woman is crying.....
     
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