Upgrade to Nvidia from Amd.

Discussion in 'Videocards - NVIDIA GeForce' started by nz3777, Dec 31, 2022.

  1. nz3777

    nz3777 Ancient Guru

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    Hey guys been a while since I posted qbout pc stuft but I need some help here, This is the situation and ty in advance.
    My Son is asking for a Rtx card- Why I dont know but I do not have $4,000 dollars for a video card (obviously) :)
    This is what he has now
    Ryzen 5 5600G 6/12 Thread cpu
    Radeon Rx 5500 Gpu .
    I would assume he wants to have g-sync for his monitor which is a Dell 1920x1080 165 hz.
    What can I get him without breaking the bank? Was thinking would a 1080ti, 2080 ti be okay for him? He can play all his games now just fine but wants Rtx so yeah lol.

    Oh and 1 problem.... The psu is only 400 watts (prebuilt Hp gaming desktop) we might run into some issues if we get the mentioned cards above?
     
  2. Dragam1337

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    Either built him a new pc and sell that one, or tell him no.
     
  3. Digilator

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    Unwilling to do any research at all, eh? :cool:

    Seems like a 3060ti-3070 would make sense. I'd make sure that PSU has a power cable available...
    Also, since said PSU may be kinda weak, you may want to keep it below 75%.
    Shows that a 3070 can use less power than a 3060ti... https://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/geforce_rtx_3060_ti_founder_edition_review,6.html

    Depending on what he wants to play, this 3060 may be great.
    $350 - https://www.amazon.com/ZOTAC-GeForc...60&qid=1672446273&sprefix=3060,aps,127&sr=8-2
    There's also a small, 1 fan model for a bit more($370) - https://www.amazon.com/MSI-Gaming-G...0&qid=1672446273&sprefix=3060,aps,127&sr=8-18
     
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    Also options :)
     

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    Hmmmm, the 1080ti is not an RTX card and the 2080ti requires a better PSU. GeForce 3050 should work fine on that PSU, but it is not that big of an upgrade compared to what you already have. It is tough to recommend a GPU upgrade if you don't plan to / or can't upgrade the PSU. If you really have to get an RTX card then the GeForce 3050 is the strongest graphics card that would work on that PSU ( I don't know the exact model of the PSU, but since the rx5500 works on it without problems - the GeForce 3050 *should* work too ).
    I would upgrade the PSU first, put a GeForce 3060/ti in it and call it a day.
     
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    Typical post from this dude, so he got an equivelant answer.
     
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    Your son can buy anything he wants if he had a JOB like everyone else.

    If he had a job, or understood the value of money, he wouldn't be asking for $4000 GPUs..
     
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    How old is your son anyway, and which games does he intend to play?

    Also, what's your budget?

    Since he wants "RTX" it likely means he would want to experience decent raytracing, so you'll probably want to get him an RTX 2080 Ti/RTX 3070 or higher. That said, you'll want to get a better PSU (while limiting power as someone suggested may work, he'd have to ensure to not forget to enable the power limiter and there could still be spikes that the PSU can't deal with which may even potentially cause damage to the hardware), at least 750-850W Gold rated (to have some leeway for future upgrades as well as PSU degredation down the line) from a reputable PSU brand (also check independent reviews which models are good), to be safe. However, check if a standard ATX or SFX PSU is even an option for the prebuilt first, as Dell often tends to use proprietary form factors and even connectors, which can be a mess to impossible to upgrade.
     
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    You cant run a 3070 on a 400w psu. It pulls 270w by itself.
     
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    Yeah I was about to send him to a China work labor camp were they make video cards but he is only 9 lol, I heard the minimum age is 10 for that so scrap that idea. :)
    Anyway.... I think I will pick him up a new Psu 750-850 Like u guys said then look for a 3060ti or 3070 ti .

    Why would I scrap a brand new system (just bought for christmas) when i can easily change 2 parts? Would u throw away a new Pc? Not made outta money dude maybe u are?
     
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    Thanks dude by far Best answer. Its an HP gaming deaktop cant rember the model # but I did open it up to add him a soundcard and the psu looks TINY as hell,I dont think a Atx psu will fit in there without some type of modification.
    Gotta do some research looks like. Thanks again to everyone for the tips . Gonna tell him to get a job also hahaha.
     
  13. RTX 3060; it's 300-400, handles 1080p like nothing, and it's RTX.

    3060 Ti is a bit better, more expensive, but I think it's worthwhile if you can afford it. I don't think it'll be a big benefit at 1080p over a regular 3060, but it might be useful for the most-demanding of games at 165Hz. Anything above that seems overkill unless you know you need a higher resolution or refresh rate in the near future, and also plan to upgrade the power supply at the same time.

    I've had a RTX 3060 (non-Ti) and was throwing 4K games and VR at it, and found it fine.
     
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    3060 vs 3060Ti

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    Buy a used 3060Ti you can get one of those for <$400
     
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    I don't know if HP still uses proprietary PSUs, make sure to check this first before buying anything.
    A 3060 should be OK for 1080p, for just normal rasterized games a very good card but with RT it will fail at some games, a 3060Ti would fair better, a used 2080Ti for a good price even better.
     
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  17. cucaulay malkin

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    new psu first imo, we dunno what that 400w oem is. rx5500 is a ~115W card.
     
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    This is the best I can do sorry if the link is broken I always had hard time posting pictures on this web-site for some reason, please let me know if it works thx.
    As you can see the Psu is very small 400 watt HP but.... i will take some measerments later or just test my old rigs psu atx powersupply to see if it will fit. Its going to be a tight squeeze.

    Cheers.
     
  20. cucaulay malkin

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    it's a normal size psu looks like.
     
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    Yes sir I was thinking same exact thing as you. Iam browsing now Looks like I can pick-up a Evga supernova (Gold) full modular for abt $150 (not too shabby) but Going to test fit my old psu for clearence.
     
  22. cucaulay malkin

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    get a seasonic focus gold, it's well priced, really great performer all round, quiet and very compact size. comes with 10y warranty. preferably 550 or higher.

    why ? 5600g is a decent cpu, will be fine even for a high refresh setup.
    all he needs is a card and psu.
     
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    Damm I had no idea abt that !- Very good point you brought up. I have a old Gtx 980 i can test in there before I go out and buy anything. This is going to turn into a Huge A project looks like lol. Thx for looking out.
     
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    I have no idea lol, How would i check something like that just get into the bios? Or do I need another motherboard to test? Thank you.
     
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    needs to check that.
     
  26. rflair

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    Most OEM PSUs have a proprietary MoBo connector, that is what you have to check. If it does you can buy adapter cables.

    Edit, in my view the above is the only problem you may have. The rest of the system is fine, less the GPU (to your son).
     
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  27. sykozis

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    It's only PCIe 3, so it could potentially bottleneck something like an RTX4090, but should be more than adequate for anything nz3777 is looking for.

    Doesn't really matter unless he intends to replace the CPU or motherboard later....and even then, not really a problem. Really just a minor inconvenience.
     
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    I will crack it back open tommorow and check the Connector (much thanks) for brining that point up as well, Had no idea.
     
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    Okay I do some checking around on flee-bay looks like a used Rtx or Gtx 2080ti can be had for around $ 400 sound right?
    Is there a big diffrence between 2080 and 2080 Super? This is really confusing the S outta me whats with the SUPER cards now lol? I know the (Ti) moniker has more performance but had no clue about these super cards, any good or just gimic?
    I better start doing some research as mentioned earlier.
     
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    And the easiest way to check if an ATX PSU will physically fit where the old HP one is is to measure the screw holes distance.
     

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