Update: Netflix 4K streaming on a Windows 10 PC Tested with GPUs

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  1. sammarbella

    sammarbella Ancient Guru

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    Stupid fences (feces too) with a bunch of bs excuses and lies.

    In PC the only 1080p 5.1 Netflix "player" working (and not very user friendly) is the MS browser edge, the official Netflix app is pure s***.

    It's completely ridiculous that the best quality/user friendly/price combo to get Netflix 4K including HDR AND a 4K blu ray player is to buy an Xbox ONE S with his remote media.

    This console is not a powerhouse in the CPU or in the GPU dep by any means. :3eyes:

    And no...the Xbox ONE S CPU is not Intel Kaby Lake.
     
  2. Denial

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    Has nothing to do with the processors performance. It's all about DRM.

    https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/uwp/audio-video-camera/playready-client-sdk
     
  3. tsunami231

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    stupid move on there part
     
  4. XenthorX

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    "as it turns out modern graphics cards such as the GeForce GTX 1000 series and Radeon RX 400 series can’t display Netflix’s 4K content."

    What kind of joke is that lol ?!
     

  5. Neo Cyrus

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    Netflix directly told me that 4K is not supported on any browser on PC and that there is no plan to change that. They also stated that Edge is the only browser that can be used to view video greater than 720p. So in other words I was wasting my money on what they weren't actually offering, but I wasn't about to argue and demand a refund which would have been a difference of $2 a month.

    What BS false advertisement, and all for some stupid copy protection. If someone wants to pirate something they pirate it easily, they wouldn't waste their time paying for Netflix and recording things manually off of their annoying site. All this does is piss off Netflix customers like me.
     
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  6. MrBonk

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    More hollywood force fed bull****.
     
  7. Deragot

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    Fixed that for you, since you were being ignorant and quite rude to boot.

    The point he was trying to put across and you obviously completely missed in your deffensive stance was that there are enought restrictions infront of the consumer as it is. Adding more crap on top will do nothing else but smother the type of media and slower it's growth.
    Or at least that is what I got from the whole topic, so no need to be angry ;)
     
  8. Evildead666

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    I'm not ignorant.
    Learn a bit more about the subject.
    I know a LOT about video and audio encoding and decoding.

    2Mbits/s is plenty for at least DVD quality (720*576). or even HD (720p), properly compressed (with a bit of buffering for the rapid-motion parts).
    Why the hell should I be stuck with less than VHS (272 horizontal lines, instead of 576) ?

    They could allow partial-buffering for say 50% of the file, the other 50% would complete while watching, so you would never have the whole file at once.

    But, there are stream capture devices, which allow the actual stream to be copied.
    If someones going to do it anyway, why not let everyone have it, and charge them a nominal fee ? they could watermark every file downloaded to everyones computer with a unique watermark, and find out exactly who shared it.
    There are so many more options available, which aren't as restrictive.

    I can't watch whats on Amazon .co.uk, because I live in France. Geoblocking yay.
    I can't watch the shows I want on amazon france, well, because its French.
    Hearing Captain Picard in French was an immediate no-no. (High pitched squeaky voice dub)

    There are so many hoops to jump through, and they keep adding more....its insane.

    TV Set top boxes allow recording of TV shows, and Films on the Film channels. Why not your Internet box/Internet TV ?

    We'll probably get there eventually...

    /Rant over

    edit : made it a bit clearer.
    Yes, i'm more pissed about the fact i cannot do Netflix/Amazon than the "Need new hardware for 4K (UHD)."
    Even more pissed when Win10 complains that my DVD's bought in the UK won't play here.....
    But I am not the majority of cases, just a case.
     
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  9. sammarbella

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    I know that is not a CPU or GPU performance problem: i was only exposing their (Intel/MS/Netflix) pile of BS and their nonsense.

    There is an even more clear example of their confusion, Netflix itself should be more clear in his own help pages:

    https://help.netflix.com/en/node/23742

    Reading this Netflix help page to get 4K on PC we should "only" need:

    - Updated Windows 10
    - Edge browser
    - Intel's 7th generation Core CPU
    - HDCP 2.2 compliant GPU
    - 4K HDCP 2.2 compliant display

    There is no remark of specific i7 CPU, specific HDCP 2.2 GPU or specific display needed.

    Following the Netflix help page indications a customer who has a PC with ANY kind i7, ANY kind of HDCP 2.2 GPU and a HDCP 2.2 4K display like the LG 27UD68-W MONITOR (yes these monitors already exist) should be able to watch Netflix in his desktop....but he will be greatly disappointed to discover he can't due to some CPU/GPU limitation BS :bang:

    http://www.lg.com/us/monitors/lg-27UD68-W-4k-uhd-led-monitor
     
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  10. Clouseau

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    What's more glaring is the Xbox One S should not be capable of this feet because it lacks the "required" cpu. The browser is there but the cpu requirement is not. People can argue DRM all they want. That is not the case. If it is stated that a certain iteration of a certain brand is needed, how is that DRM? If that particular iteration is the only one capable of handling the DRM then again, the console could not be able to advertise it is capable. It all has to do with pushing sales of win10 and Intel cpus. DRM amounts to an excuse they are arguing to deflect the actual intent. Do not forget, only win10 will be 100% compatible with the newer cpus and Edge is only available with win10.
     

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    The Xbox One S isn't even a very good solution for 4K Netflix.
    It sounds great on the surface and then you realize you have to pick your poison with the way it handles color spaces.
    You can either choose to crush all of your blacks via the broken PC RGB color space or wash all of them out to gray via the limited/standard color space.

    If you're really in need of 4K Netflix you're probably best off using Chromecast or your built-in TV apps.
     
  12. Denial

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    Because the UHD stream through Kabylake is all Playready 3.0 encrypted. It's not required on Xbox, nor my Samsung TV or any other 4K capable netflix device because those devices all meet the MPAA's standards for what they considered "locked down". Copying an unencrypted stream on the PC is significantly easier then it is on the Xbox, where the entire system is sandboxed.

    Also this isn't like a new thing - there has been weird encryption/anti-piracy DRM rules in netflix's services since their streaming service was created. The discussion of playready 3.0 in general has been going on for nearly a year. Netflix's playready 3.0 requirement isn't even like a secret, Nvidia talked about it with Pascal's launch and there are multiple articles prior to this individual piece of news regarding Netflix's playready requirement for PC.

    It's 100% DRM. Why they decided to ship Kabylake only first is beyond me. Nvidia claims Pascal will be supported in the future. So I guess you can argue that the exclusivity period Intel currently has is in their favor - but it's not like this is new, nor a surprise, nor anything but the MPAA wanting to control the content.
     
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  13. 0blivious

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    Of course. Still feel like there's much whining over nothing. Get a proper streaming device, folks. They aren't that much, they function much better than any HTPC setup and are far smaller.

    Anyways, back to complaining about conspiracies and other huge issues we face as PC enthusiasts.
     
  14. Clouseau

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    No, it's not DRM when like I said only one particular iteration of a particular brand is needed. Notice what you stated, those particular devices are already considered locked down. The cpus play no part in that. It's all software. Hence why the TV is even able to provide the ability. Dollars to donuts Zen will magically be capable of the same since it will only be supported by win10. The DRM is already baked into the anniversary update to win10. Kaby is just able to decode the codecs in hardware, only reason.

    Notice the complaints in another thread stating that Kabylake is just an overclocked Skylake. Since there is so marginal of an improvement they are creating a reason to actually buy the darned thing. They feel that there is enough identification through Netflix and the appeal of 4K to drive a portion of the sales before it is widely known that the lock was only arbitrary; just like one was "locked" into SLI or CFX because of the chipset being utilized.
     
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  15. PrMinisterGR

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    It's called a driver. All TV SoCs have drivers to support 99% of DRM out there, for that reason. NVIDIA and AMD have the capability, not the driver yet. Intel has no proper 3D drivers, but they do have driver support for PlayReady 3.0. I don't understand why the whole commotion. The issue lies with AMD/NVIDIA and Google/Mozilla for not providing the capability.
     

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    Hopefully this will change in the future , meanwhile i will keep using my Smart TV app to watch 4k content on netflix.
     
  17. Denial

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    It's not a Intel requirement though, it's a Netflix requirement. They've required PlayReady DRM on PC since 2010. With 4K, they are requiring PlayReady 3.0, which is currently only officially supported by Kabylake and Pascal. And the pressure to require PlayReady isn't coming from Netflix, or even Microsoft/Intel, it's coming from the MPAA. Like I said, this isn't new, people have been discussing/complaining about it for years.

    That was when they originally included it in 2010. It's no different then the disk DRM nonsense on blu-rays requiring HDCP 2.2 and whatnot.
     
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    As long as Nvidia and AMD can support it through drivers this is a non-issue for me.
    I just wish they hadn't blocked vpn services, that's a bigger problem for me than waiting on 4k.
     
  19. Clouseau

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    There is no big issue. just have been pointing out that this brouhaha is over marketing...creating a reason to purchase Kabylake since it has such a minor performance improvement. Like I have said it is not about DRM or the "requirement" of a kabylake cpu. All about creating a market for a cpu that was never intended to be released.
     
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    Do you really think the number of people who want to exclusively use a Windows based PC to stream 4K Netflix content is that high? It is a niche market at best and not big enough to drive a decision like this. I have no doubt that once Nvidia and AMD get their drivers working for Playready 3.0 Netflix will drop the Kabbylake requirement.
     

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