UK disputes ARM takeover Nvidia over 'security concerns'

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  1. Hilbert Hagedoorn

    Hilbert Hagedoorn Don Vito Corleone Staff Member

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    Not sure to understand why they absolutly want to buy this company, they can already develop a custom ARM processor and join it with a GPU of their own without having to own ARM. ARM's business is about licensing core that can be customized by their clients. nVidia never needed to buy them to produce a custom ARM CPU.
     
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    Loobyluggs Ancient Guru

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    “We continue to work through the regulatory process with the U.K. government. We look forward to their questions and expect to resolve any issues they may have.”

    Translation:

    "This is going to happen no matter this government says or does".

    All I can say is this:

    You're not in California any more, and, who the hell do you think you are questioning a government? Just because in your little neck of their woods you can make 'campaign donations' to politicians, that crap does not happen in ours, because if any politician in the UK get found out for taking 'campaign donations', they go to PRISON, like they should in EVERY country.
     
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    FatBoyNL Ancient Guru

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    ARM+AMD would be more expensive that's for sure ;)
     

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    rl66 Ancient Guru

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    It's not to produce CPU with NVidia GPU, it's to have the hand over a growing type of CPU.
    Right now the problem that politic just found, is the one that IT point at early tractation.
    A potential opposant country will own an essential part of the security of the country (army, bank, etc etc).
     
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    rl66 Ancient Guru

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    ARM+AMD already exist since years (maybe more older than ARM+NVidia).
     
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    tunejunky Ancient Guru

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    it's more than that. Nvidia is an American company. Softbank (the prior owner) is Japanese.
    exactly what this is, is a weak government playing what little leverage they have for the media.
    it's not as if there's multi-billion dollar fab plants popping up all over Britain.

    this is a cynical ploy aimed at appeasing the nationalists in the Tory party. if there are real concerns about Nvidia's intention it should receive equal billing.

    of course if this was in absence of political concerns this deal should be seen as a relief to the stockholders,
    and this has nothing to do with the REAL loss of I.P. as it fundamentally strengthens ARM.
     
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    NVIDIA is doing what is good for the company. Acquisition of ARM would be great for them, but it would be a disaster for everybody else. That's why we have regulatory powers that need to step in situation like this.
     
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    Their roadmap is planning nVidia ARM CPU in the near future, so it's not to grab the company that design the core. It's also to benefit from it, having the next "in-house innovation" at first hand before any competitor.
    Anyone believing that nVidia acquiring ARM, will remain perfectly neutral and never be the first to implement the next-gen design of ARM is dreaming.

    ARM is only a designer, nVidia is also selling finished products and soon with ARM CPU inside. It's in conflict with owning ARM itself.
     
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    IP , its all down to ip.
     

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    Not entirely, Nvidia just want to make a CPU/APU that can run windows and have its own desktop CPU, which they currently cannot do, but thanks to Windows 11...
     
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    Somehow i'm releaved to hear about a good company not being acquired by either Google, Apple or Amazon.
     
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    Don't think they need to make illegal payments, just some promises and guarantees securing jobs and it'll go through. It's not like ARM is a UK company, it's Japanese. If they really cared they would have stopped the Japanese taking it over.
     
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    Loobyluggs Ancient Guru

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    Think again.
     
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    This is nothing new.
    Favoring forceful bargaining strategies despite having a weaker position, and valorising the perception of strength above all else in achieving a beneficial outcome, is a somewhat counterintuitive strategy that UK govt has used for the last several years.
    Public really digs it.

    OTOH if the US or if Nvidia really wants this - they can make it happen. QUID PRO QUO...

    So what if it is?
    Everything is aimed at pleasing someone. Why not please "nationalists in the Tory party"? Do you think nationalists are miniscule minority? How is pleasing nationalists more illogical or more immoral or less useful than pleasing stockowners?
    I don't get your point.
     

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    the point is the explanation of the reasoning to people unfamiliar with UK
    while it's not terribly unusual for a country to have a ruling party that's only there by default... or rather de faults of the opposition (labour) party, the remarkable fact is the tories are still in power and that the Act of Union hasn't been dissolved.
    but as a result foreigners are happy to park their money there but not confident to invest in manufacturing there.
    the politics of the UK are even more polarized than American politics, and i was making a cautionary tale of it.
     

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