Ufo confirmed

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  1. DocStr4ngelove

    DocStr4ngelove Master Guru

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    Moves via negative force of gravity. Helium is lighter than air. Though it would become a craft (for a short time) if you punch a hole into it and set it on fire xD.
     
  2. Carfax

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    Well if you're looking for testable evidence that you can actually touch and interact with, that's different. But this video footage definitely constitutes as anecdotal evidence. A UFO captured at high altitude by a $2 million dollar targeting pod with infrared sensors and displaying characteristics (oval shape, no wings, no external engines, dramatic acceleration and deceleration at the drop of a dime, hovering, rotating) that are totally out of bounds for any known terrestrial aircraft. And to top it off, this footage was verified as legitimate and not a hoax by the U.S Military.

    Does this count as proof? No it doesn't. But it's very strong anecdotal evidence in my opinion. Also the events shown in this footage are very similar to other incidents observing UFOs all over the World.
     
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    Set helium on fire? Only aliens can do that.
     
  4. HeavyHemi

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    Technology is a breeding ground in some respects. You'd think it would be somewhat counter intuitive. It surprises me sometimes to see the wacky ideas some leading authorities hold.
    Having literally hundreds of hours using FLIR, (one of the I things did both with ASW and anti-mine squadrons) those look very much like image artifacts. I say this because they do not move AT ALL in the the tracking reticule, and that, is impossible. I say this having tracked hundreds of objects. The tracking is not perfect and the target will drift in the reticule. Those stay in precisely the same spot meaning in my experiened opinion, they are not physical objects but electronic artifacts of the system. True story, we used to test the nose FLIR on a P-3 by seeing how well we could image the um... assets of the waves on the ramp. You couldn't see nips but you got a decent bikini like view in black and white.
     

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    Carfax Ancient Guru

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    I don't think you're aware of the full story of this incident. The UFO was first picked up on radar by a Naval vessel upon which after three F/A-18 Super Hornets that were in the area were sent to investigate the radar blips. So it could not have been image artifacts, otherwise they never would have showed up on radar.
     
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    Loobyluggs Ancient Guru

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    Go read War of the Worlds - this will explain why:

    1) We can never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever go to another planet, land in a futuristic shuttle, open the door, take off our helmet and breathe the air.
    2) Aliens would never do the same.

    Hell, if you even walked on the planet of Mars (due to the acidity of the surface, that's another problem) you would need a complete and total detoxifying and disinfection wash down on your suit, before you came back aboard and took off the spacesuit you alighted with.

    You cannot beat micro-organisms and their ability to spread and multiply inside of living cells, taking them over and, basically, eating you alive.

    As Gene Roddenberry once said "Ancient Aliens did not build the Pyramids - human beings did, because we're clever and we work hard!" - in other words, WE will solve this problem, and what you are proposing (I appreciate it was jovial in its intent) is basically wishful-thinking.
     
  7. HeavyHemi

    HeavyHemi Ancient Guru

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    I believe again you are making another round of assumptions.
    1) You have ZERO knowledge of what I know about this incident other that what I have posted here, yet you assume my ignorance.
    2) You do not know that what was imaged on the FLIR was the same as what was reportedly imaged on the radar.
    3) You stating as a FACT it could not have been something is again, obviously false.
    What experience do you have that qualifies you to make assertions about any of this tech? I won't assume you have none, I will guess that you do not. I'm sure you will correct me if you do have actual hands on experience.
    Not everyone learns by reading. Some of us swinging dicks actually went out and did the real thing. Maybe you're not aware the crew was making fun of Cdr Fravor at the time. Whoops.
     
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    Carfax Ancient Guru

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    Yeah I'm not really convinced to be honest. Your "analysis" has definitely ignored some crucial details.

    I don't know that for a fact, so I'm going by the Naval account records, which if you read the Wiki entry also includes a visual sighting by multiple people so it's not just the AFLIR recording that needs explanation.

    Where did I say this? I haven't used the word fact at all throughout this entire discussion. I even said it doesn't constitute proof, just anecdotal evidence. You on the other hand have used the word "fact" more than anyone else, without even knowing all the relevant details.

    I'm an Air Force veteran who did a 4 year enlistment as an F-16 crew chief straight out of high school, have flown in the back of an F-16 D model at Nellis AFB in Las Vegas for an incentive ride, so I have more than just a passing familiarity with this technology. Although in the Air Force, we have avionics specialists (at least when I was in during the late 90s to early 2000 timeframe) that deal with the ECM, targeting pods and radar whereas my job dealt mostly with the mechanical aspects of the aircraft, ie flight surfaces, landing gear, hydraulics, engine etcetera. The only things we didn't touch were the avionics, weapons/munitions and egress systems as they had specialists for those. But I still have a good idea of how they work.

    Cdr Fravor wasn't the only witness, there were others. In fact, the footage from the AFLIR pod wasn't even captured by him. His account was visual.
     
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  9. HeavyHemi

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    You will also figure out shortly you're conflating two separate events. Your analysis consists of what you have read. Mine is based on actual real life experience. Here's you asserting a fact

    "So it could not have been image artifacts, otherwise they never would have showed up on radar."

    You are in fact wrong. Clear back in the 80's we had electronic gear that could simulate nearly anything you wanted the other guy to see. Look up the BRIGAND system as one example.
     
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    Right, so your explanation is the Navy is deploying countermeasures against itself for the purposes of........? And you lecture me about leaps of logic.

    Also, that doesn't explain the visual sightings by multiple pilots/weapon systems officers, which then lead to the Navy dispatching a second sortie which captured the footage.

    I guess your next step will be to say they are all liars or it was some drug induced mass hallucination.

    I like how you stealth edited your comment, changing Air Force to "Air Farce" and back again. Why not just tell us how you really feel? The fact that you apparently feel contempt for the Air Force tells me everything I need to know about you as a person.

    A true Military professional would never say that, especially a high ranking one, which is what you "claim" to be. So yeah, I definitely have my doubts :D

    I left the Military as an E-4 at 22 years old. At that age and rank, denigrating the other branches was fairly common. I remember referring to Naval Seamen as "semen" or squids. But eventually you grow up and see the World differently. I guess that never happened for you.
     
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    I stealth edited because I decided I was being a bit too harsh in taking you to daddy school. We always had a good laugh at the Elvis impersonator pilots of the Air Farce. Since you left as a child, you never got to enjoy the service branch rivalry. Your claim that starts out as a recruit is pure BS. Then it looks like you're trying to sneak a 'STOLEN VALOR' claim in there. Is that right, kid? Watch your step jr.
    You probably believe Gyrene or Jarhead is an insult, right kid? You can continue to believe theories are based on anecdotal evidence while I will use empirical evidence as other intelligent adults like myself use. You can continue to post ignorant stawman about what you THINK I believe and know, but not what I've actually posted. You will lose every argument, just as soundly as you're losing this one as long as you believe as you do. The end.

    Stealth edit: Lets go back to your original silliness you posted to me "This isn't some new phenomena. We just now have the capability of photographing them or recording them to footage."

    No shizz Sherlock. (with the caveat that "just now" encompassed the better part of a century) When you address someone who is clearly not a moron with something that dumb, expect the blowback. None of your bloviating and your new status as an EXPERT on ONE incident, changes that.
     
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  12. vbetts

    vbetts Don Vincenzo Staff Member

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    Okay, we're done. Since we're acting like children here, we just aren't gonna do this anymore.
     
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