Ubisoft engineer says Microsoft/Sony pressuring them to force 30fps on PC.

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  1. danfim

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    Remember when everyone thought we would get quality PC ports because of the "next-gen" consoles?

    NOPE
     
  2. schmidtbag

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    Anyone who thought that had desperate expectations. Obviously PC ports would be better, since these consoles are based on x86, support newer APIs, and are just simply more powerful than last-gen. But otherwise, game developers will always take the easy way out unless they care more about the customer than their wallets.
     
  3. danfim

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    Right you are.
     
  4. ScoobyDooby

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    The piracy excuse is nothing but that, an excuse. Not to discount it entirely, yes its a problem, but it is on console too.

    No, Crysis sold poorly because its more a tech demo than a game. You know why people pirated it? To stress test their hardware and then go and play actual games.

    Call of Duty is a stupid comparison since at the time Advanced Warfare was a step up in the COD series featuring a whole new take and was the last iteration of CoD to feature dedicated servers. It was in fact the last CoD I played, but I played the hell out of CoD4 for years.
    I imagine it was the same for many other players. And if those players DID want to play multiplayer, they needed to purchase the game. Makes sense to me!
     

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    Popular games are always amongst the most pirated unless they have a really good multiplayer experience which forces you to buy the game. Which is part of the reason consoles are preferred by game devs for single player games. There is simply less pirating on consoles.

    Crap sales to me means the game made little or no money. Not a complete flop, but not great. Crysis simply didn't sell the massive amount they expected. Underwhelming sales? Yeah. Crap sales? no.

    CoD is an outlier in the gaming world. I have no idea how its following continues to grow year after year of repackaged the same damn game experience. I think making the comparison is a bit unfair.
     
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    Oh to hell with both 30fps AND 60fps! I want 120fps support! I don't do 60Hz/fps unless I am forced. There should be neither 30fps lock nor 60fps lock! Instead - NO LOCK! I think about the only lock I am OK with is the V-Sync lock that some games, like Skyrim, require in order to play properly.
     
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    What is really worry's me : console makers are pressuring them into doing the same thing on PC
    Hail to the next-gen or should i call no-gen consoles?!
     
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    While I don't think there should ever be a cap on FPS, I don't see 120FPS or higher ever being necessary. Since I personally never used a 120Hz+ monitor myself, I can't rightly say that wanting such a high refresh rate is dumb. However, like many pricey luxuries, you only THINK the experience is better because that's what your wallet tells you. It's like a wine snob being given a $10 bottle while being told it's worth $500 and they they believe it is worth every penny.
     
  9. PhazeDelta1

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    Excuse me. I've been saying from the beginning, that the next gen consoles were not going to change a thing. So far, I have been right.
     
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    this way of doing last since long time: EA was a master in limit PC game to make console game look better (because there is more buy and it cost more).

    alice madness return, the sim 2, reckoning... all of those are fps or/and res limited. Once modded they look... hmm like when it was presented to public lol

    BTW on computer you can ALWAYS mod the game (if you don't know how there is some website with everything already done, just to download... google or Yandex is your friend (despite he spy you :puke2:)
     

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    To be fair, the ports might actually have become even worse on average. :)
     
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    This is ****! Why torture us with crappy gameplay? Upgrade your ****ty consoles. I am tensed as I am gonna get a new HIGH end rig.
    Not fair. Spend great money in great rigs, still eat 30 FPS. PC Gamers will stick with old games if this happens.

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  13. Brasky

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    The bold ones are true. You can't hook up your million-dollar keyboard on a console but you can hook up a controller for PC.
     
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    They are concerned about the Xbox. People are not buying games on it. Most people I know brought it for a variety of reasons but mainly to be a reasonably priced Media Centre as they came back to gaming on PC at the end of the last console cycle. So the Xbox is mainly gathering dust until people come back from the pub/bar and are looking for a lightweight same screen type multiplayer. It has become the Wii replacement rather than a serious gaming platform.

    The product was dated the day it launched and they are having problems because PCs are still by far the better experience and more people are gaming on PCs again.

    True to type, rather than innovate, Microsoft tries to try and hold back an entire industry. It will fail again just like it has in the past and continue damaging the credibility of both MS and the console they are so desperate to artificially protect. Worse, it will destroy the sales of ports to PC damaging developers and publishers as well. Trust MS to come up with the ultimate lose/lose scenario. They must have been very desperate indeed to resort to this. With MS they can take a very long time indeed to wake up and change course. This is after all the company whose core products have had two strikes out of three recently. Windows Vista and 8 being almost universally ignored by IT departments.

    What monitor can VSynch at 30 FPS? None from the present decade I think. Ironically, it is games that people cant get on consoles that do not suffer from 30 fps. Games like Civilazation V or shortly, CiV beyond earth where it wouldn't matter so much. For games like BF4 or action oriented games it is unplayable.

    I wouldn't doubt Microsoft's determination on this though. This is an admission of just how desperate they are and just how badly they miscalculated with the Xbox. I would be very surprised if Sony have taken a similar stance unless they just hoped on the MS bandwagon once it got rolling. They are not usually so blind.
     

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    This is exactly right. The exec's are pandering to the console. Sony doesn't care about PC's,and why should they? Microsoft cares about their operating system. They look at the Xbox like Jerry Jones looks at the Cowboys. Its their toy,their obsession. The PC is only going to slow down the Xbox. Games used to be made for the PC 1st then ported to the console,now its the other way around and because of that,PC games get severely gimped. Sure,there might be a few examples of good ports,but there are far and few between.
     
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    Shame on them if true which I doubt, make the best they can on current consoles then improve for the better tech in high end pc's
     
  18. Corrupt^

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    Look at Valve's engine. They solved the problem of physics not being the same speed with different tickrates.

    They have 64 and 128 tickrate. Something tells me that it would be possible to do 32 with the same speed in physics as well with some adjustments.

    Basically you design your game with a world that runs at a 128 tickrate (128 updates/sec) and you can scale all the way down to 32...

    The sheer stupidity in gamedevelopment makes me facepalm.
     
  19. goat1

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    It is true.. The PC is just an afterthought now. They do just enough to port that game to the PC to make it decent. Most developers don't take the time to really concentrate on PC's. I think there are a few that still do,but most of the games by EA/Ubi ect.. Have a bottom line and put a time frame on the ports to PC. I can almost guarantee that!
     
  20. Redemption80

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    This looks like more confirmation that Sony/MS forced Ubisoft to release the 30fps Cinematic thing.

    It's a poor show if this is the case, understandable as its bad PR for devs to be complaining about the hardware this soon after release.

    We will have to wait and see how things turn out in the future, I can live with and understand devs only optimising to 30fps, but a hard cap is unacceptable.
     

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