TSMC will no longer accept orders from Huawei Starting September

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  1. Backstabak

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    The people are the ones who support the regime, so if the general population suffers, their support for that regime can lessen. It's the same as with open war, when two countries fight it's not a fight between two militaries while the civilians just pretend like nothing happens. You fight against every man and woman who go to work and produce wealth that feeds and supplies the army, you fight against their support for the government policy to continue the fight.

    If anything, the west is too shortsighted in their dealings with China. We have shipped there our technology and our manufacturing, because it was cheap to do so and that looks amazing in quarterly reports. China looks at it from a long term perspective, what will happen in decades or even centuries. Now China is already making claims to the territories of all their neighbors and are in the process of colonization of Africa, not to mention extermination of minorities. Trying to appease them does nothing to stop or even slow them down. It must really be a firm stand against the authoritative regime, with sanctions as the least of the measures.

    West still leads in tech which China still needs and their production is still consumed largely by wealthy citizens of the western world. Remove both of these and their lifestyle will have to change rather dramatically.

    BTW, Russia is exactly the same. Since 90s they have fought in several wars, often for land and they got some every time.
     
  2. DeskStar

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    My goodness my president is such a POS!!!
     
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    Huawei really made the best devices in years, i own the Mate 20 X and i don't see anything that can replace it, what a shame...
     
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    That's just a peaceful answer of the independent Taiwan to the "peaceful" intention of the PRC to annex Taiwan in the future.
    And yes, a certain government attitude of a country in the North America doesn't help, but that doesn't mean that you can support either PRC or either that country in the North America...
     

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    if anything related to current china (goverment)
    isnt it because their respond nowdays become so "high-profile" lately ?
    if i watch news related to china, especially the Foreign Ministry Spokesperson Zhao Lijian in how they respond to the situation, they like make threat
    to AUS when questioning covid, then to UK related to hongkong, next india conflict, uyghurs
    now france/canada also joining into the play aswell?
    with tension already been heating up with US, then also to taiwan, and japan (related to senkaku/diaoyutai island)
    even some news reported china claim Vladivostok, not sure if it just hoax or not, but lmao

    some might say this just "world politics" to show/prove who have the (control) power
    but really the china gov. now is like making enemy with rest of the world lol

    in current era where each nation related to each other, with same goal (to become more prosper country)
    it still to hard for human to create equal-peaceful state, and keep going back to "power" (aka control)
    then the history repeat

    for huawei product, especially their smartphone
    as many phone build in china, there are many alternative imo
    aside xiaomi, those BBK electronics group (oneplus, oppo, vivo, realme) ... many will find those similar (specs/parts-wise) with plus-minus
     
  6. schmidtbag

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    @slyphnier Don't forget all of the countries in the South China Sea and Mekong River. If you think Australia, France, and Canada are mad, they're happy in comparison.
     
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    China needs to be downgraded we can all agree, but the U.S has exported in the past few decades far too much of our manufacturing capability and jobs overseas as it is. We don't even manufacture basic drugs.

    The TPP would have further aggravated that liability even more.
     
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    Thanks to decades of stealing our intellectual property and the myopia of American politicians (both Republicans and Democrats) and the desire of Americans for cheap products, China shot like a rocket onto the World stage. No other nation is as responsible for China's success as the U.S.

    But now the U.S, and the rest of the World is finally getting wise to their antics. Eventually, China is going to plummet like a meteor just as spectacularly as how they rose to prominence.
     
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    This is so dumb
     
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    No it won't
    At least not with without milion of people suffering from the situation.
     

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    It would be funny if China decides to stop production for the USA for the mere purpose of making this change even.
    I wonder how long the USA would last if that happens :rolleyes:

    I bet the US government would face sanity, even if it's just for a moment. I wish this would happen, just so we can see it happening.
     
  12. gx-x

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    Do you realize you have no idea what went on other than what you read/heard, and you are disagreeing on the events with the guy that lives there and has witnessed everything first hand? How in the world do you think you are correct and he is not?
    That's your western bias, you don't listen and learn, you just push your bias through the wall, and when able, rewrite the history. Right now, US is telling you that spending 20 trillions on the 15 trillion GDP is fine, because printing money is ok, but communism in China is bad, and while they are net positive, unlike the US, US has more money. And you believe this crap. Are you people crazy?
    No need to answer. I have next to no respect for opinion of western people regurgitating western doctrine. Sorry. Once your "world" hits the decline you will be very confused.
     
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    If millions of people suffer, it will be the CCP's doing. The World will no longer sit by idly while China lies, cheats and steals its way to dominance on the World stage.
     
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    They'd be hurting themselves more than they'd be hurting us. Also, a lot of production manufacturers in China that ship products to the U.S are moving to other countries to escape the import taxes that Trump levied against China.

    There are plenty of other nations in Asia that would love to take China's place as a manufacturing hub for cheap goods.
     
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    The only people that have witnessed what's happened first hand, are people in government. The rest of us only witness the fall out from stupid decisions made by government and read the propaganda.

    Yes, some people are crazy. Some people want war. Every time I look on facebook I see calls from so called "patriots" wanting the US to go to war with China, Russia, Iran, etc..... Some people are too stupid/crazy to figure out that war is not the answer, nor is it winnable. Nobody wins in a war. People just suffer and die. It's stupid.....

    You make it sound as if we haven't already started declining..... The decline started in 2016..... Some of us are just waiting for the edge of the cliff to come..... I'm pretty sure that will be in November 2020.... Too many in the US feed off of death, despair and inhumanity. With all the police brutality in the US, some are calling for MORE authority and LESS accountability for police.... But, if the news reports the truth, they're "anti-american" or they "hate america".... The US is almost as divided as a nation as it was during our civil war. We've basically handed the keys over to the most incompetent government ever elected.
     
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    China Build your own crap! Or better yet come over here and steal a copy of our own cpu production just like everything else they stole and reverse Enganired. Sry for my crap spelling lol.
     
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    The US bizarre anti Hauwei policy will force China into developing its own chip manufacture, eventually endangering INTEL, AMD, Nvidia, they won't have any interest in complying with any patents.
    China is already powerful enough with the technical competence to give the big finger to the US or anyone else.
     
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    China already has a semiconductor manufacturing company. To know what is it, and why they can't use it, read the article.
     
  19. sykozis

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    It's really not a bizarre policy if you understand how things are done in a Communist country. The Chinese Gov't controls all businesses. Huawei can't refuse to build "security flaws" into their products that the Chinese Gov't can exploit. In the US, companies have a say. Won't be that way much longer, but that is the current state.... The US Gov't is slowly moving that same direction. As long as every country is intent on spying on every other country, things are going to get progressively worse, as they have been. The Chinese want to dominate every market and be the sole world super power. Same as every other country. They don't want a Global economy. They want a single Chinese economy. People in power, always want more power. They rarely concern themselves with the cost. The current US president is no different. He's been trying to push us towards a dictatorship for the last 42 months..... Hope for change in November, otherwise, things will probably get worse long before they get better.....
     
  20. Not just them - Germany is one of Russia's largest buyers of crude oil. Just adding to your statement not disagreeing or taking away from it.

    The Huawei issue stems from an old political agenda long talked about in the DOD and DOJ; this pre dates Trump & had been talked about pursuing in years prior but the decision was made not to. When Trump became elected due to the appeal of this among his base, the decision to pursue Huawei & use/expound on existing intelligence was chosen.

    We won't see the these imports & trade agreements replaced with mainland-based American manufacturing & jobs. There isn't & never was a plan for that. Only an aggressive prosecutorial roadmap for Huawei & the in turn Chinese government. Huawei's CFO was arrested by Canadian authorities at the behest of US federal officers in December of 2018.

    On the 1st of December, one year into the US-China trade war - The White House stated both parties would "immediately begin negotiations on structural changes with respect to forced technology transfer, intellectual property protection, non-tariff barriers, cyber intrusions and cyber theft." continued - "If at the end of 90 days, the parties were unable to reach an agreement, the 10 percent tariffs would be raised to 25 percent."

    However during "negotiations" The White House requested Canada pursue the arrest of Huawei's CFO - China's most prominent technology manufacturer with a well-documented close connection to the Chinese state. It's often speculated they are a front for the Chinese government themselves (this is objective - I could care less if they are or are not). These are simply points of our public record.

    Many of you are raising debate - according to data we have; the White House has continuously exacerbated the current geopolitical climate and continued to make matters difficult. This is apart from Huawei having a history of data collection on their Telecommunications equipment. Let's circle back. The Snowden leaks while confidential information became public record during the creation of the USA Freedom ACT of 2015 (spawned by the ACLU suing the US gov).

    Court documents show the US department of state, CIA and NSA were conducting a mass surveillance operation on but not limited to the following countries: China, Russia, USA, United Kingdom, Canada, Mexico, Australia. So, including ourselves & some allies too without individual warrants - the reasoning was FISA warrants used as "blankets" for "multiple points" of mass surveillance. Our Federal courts saw otherwise. Violating established privacy data-sets on a scale considered weapons-grade according to the EU and now GDRP (which didn't exist at the time). PHI, PII, & including but was not limited to data mining of bank statements, passport records, location information, cell records(sms/audio), credit reports, social networking accounts, and more. Point a finger at someone else - there are five pointing back at you
     
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