TSMC to increase chip production prices by 10 to 20 percent

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  1. Hilbert Hagedoorn

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    At this point is just monopoly, and they know that they are protected by the entire world so they can raise they price how they will. In case of WW3, TSMC would be on the priority list to destroy anyways, so they can milk since GF, the Chinese fab and etc are barely at 14nm, meanwhile only Samsung is close FOR NOW.
     
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    That's nothing. Wait for that 100-200% price increase once China invades Taiwan.
     
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    Expected. Rich people will get richer, that's the way of the world.
     

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    Oh Poop. Well there goes my optimistic view of prices coming down due to more production and manufacturing. :oops::oops::oops::oops::(:(:(:(
     
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    This is happening because there isn't more production and manufacturing available for the time being. Has TSMC poured the concrete yet in the USA for its new plant? Back in Taiwan a crook apparently stole building materials from a plant expansion building site. I doubt that delayed it much, but, nevertheless, it's nothing but a building site. The prices will only, potentially, drop when all these places are in full production, but not before. I believe Samsung is also expanding, if memory serves.
     
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    You're right. Hilbert post an article that stated the new factories should be complete in 2023. We have long road of crazy prices and shortages till then.
     
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    They're just doing their part to reduce electronic waste by making people keep their device for longer XD
     
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    So far man, so far...
     
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    I dont see 2022 getting any better. Even the legend himself Jensen said it wont happen.
     
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    No surprise here, unfortunately. This is what happens when production lags severely in relation to demand...

    But it´s funny how TSMC suddenly became one of the most important companies in the world just by being competent and choosing their bets and partners wisely.
     
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    Yes but again making semiconductors on the cutting edge is a very very hard job . There where what ? 12 fabs most of em went under even the mighty intel that had the best fabs since forever had serius issues making their 10nm to work...intel had the funds to survive a venture that drains em billions with no return for years smaller fabs going belly up with much less. Samsung also can afford to bleed money and tsmc can afford now too mostly they rip the benefits of being the last man standing on this race with the other fabs.
     
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    If Apple is willing to pay more, why not require it for everyone else.

    Thanks Apple. iphone owners tend to buy new iphone every year more so than Android users. Be interesting to see the numbers.
     
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    o.k. time for a dose of manufacturing reality.

    the cost to TSMC has risen.
    people look at fabs but do not realize just how much work is done by specialized third parties such as wire bonding.
    every piece of silicon that leaves has to be fabbed over the bonded wires that allow I/O including the pins.
    and when you reduce the pitch of the node you increase the complexity of the bonding package.
    TSMC has several wire bonders specialized for OEM, ARM, ARM M1 (smallest node), and cpu/gpu.

    these are tiny companies with profits under 10-20 million US.
    they are so specialized that just a few folks ill from Covid screw up the works in an outsized fashion as everything depends on them. and they (the suppliers to TSMC) spent a fortune upgrading their facilities for a covid-safe workplace.

    BUT, at the end of the day a 10-20% increase on a smaller node doesn't have to be that great at retail as the cost per WAFER is still a bit lower but with more chips per wafer.
    and with AMD fully embracing MCM they are relying on smaller, higher yield chips which mitigates increased cost of production.
     
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    I don't give a damn about TSMC shareholders, but seriously...
    at this point in time it would be irresponsible from tsmc NOT to raise wafer prices
     
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