Tick Tock Tock Says Intel Now As Well

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  1. Hilbert Hagedoorn

    Hilbert Hagedoorn Don Vito Corleone Staff Member

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    The familiar "Tick-Tock" is a model used by chip manufacturer Intel Corporation start started in 2007 to follow every micro-architectural change with a die shrink of the process technology...

    Tick Tock Tock Says Intel Now As Well
     
  2. PrMinisterGR

    PrMinisterGR Ancient Guru

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    It was about time. 10nm will come at around 2018, two years after than expected. 7nm will be even harder, and 5nm is considered almost impossible with current materials/physics. Speed upgrades have slowed down very much the last 5 years, and they will keep doing so even more, until we have a paradigm shift.
     
  3. __hollywood|meo

    __hollywood|meo Ancient Guru

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    tl;dr version
     
  4. Matt26LFC

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    Been on the cards really hasn't it.

    Not surprising at all since they've been having nothing but trouble reducing transistor size now.

    But what can we expect from canonlake now? It was mean't to be the die shrink of Skylake, which if it still is that means basically we get 3 versions of skylake what with Kabylake coming this year.

    Skylake>Kabylake>Canonlake all basically the same arch!? Or will Canonlake now be a whole new arch on the new process?
     

  5. Denial

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    Yeah same arch. The next architecture will be Icelake.
     
  6. CPC_RedDawn

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    Still looks like my next CPU upgrade won't be til at least Canonlake or Icelake then.

    10nm here we come!!! :D
     
  7. Ven0m

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    I wonder when they'll figure out how to put multiple layers into CPUs. This should allow huge performance increase without decreasing fab node.
     
  8. PrMinisterGR

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    You'll wait at least a couple of years for that :D
     
  9. Robbo9999

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    I think there's a mistake in this article if I'm understanding correctly. The article says right at the beginning: "Based on Moore's Law this been proven to become more and more difficult, it's becoming Tick-Tick-Tock". I think it's actually supposed to be Tick-Tock-Tock instead, because a Tick is a die shrink & its becoming harder to die shrink. I sat in front of the computer screen trying to work out why I wasn't understanding the article, it was that incorrect statement at the start of the article that threw off my understanding! The table at the end of the article supports the fact that it's becoming Tick-Tock-Tock, not the Tick-Tick-Tock written in this article. (Just now noticed that title of article is correct though).
     
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    now that will be expensive
     

  11. Hootmon

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    The main problem with that is heat dissipation from the 'buried' components. You would need some sort of active in-die cooling system or a different breed of switch.
     
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    I know my next upgrade will not be until 2020-2021 with one of the E based CPUs. Hopefully my CPU will last that long.
     
  13. Elder III

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    Looks like I'll be fine awhile longer. My wallet is happy at least...
     
  14. Tugrul_512bit

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    Maybe double layer possible with 2 coolers on both sides of mainboard. Then case would look more symmetrical. Wherever you open, you see a cpu. Mainboard needs to be thicker with a folding style opening for maintenance. This also gives more space for more ram slots and other things and needs more hardware components but this would be an enthusiast hardware.
     
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    hehe yeah, was thinking the same somehow
     

  16. -Tj-

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    TigerLake it is then.. Was planing on CannonLake but seeing that chart made me pass.

    I think at 2019 its enogh for this i7 Haswell. 3yrs is not a long wait, should be 6yrs old then,:nerd: I already have it since its rls back in June 2013.
     
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    wasnt this chart show a few months ago? I kind curious when the "2016 optimize" chips are gona be released. mostly cause i still havent made my new build
     
  18. Fender178

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    Yeah with me I'm going to wait it out until 2020-2021.
     
  19. xIcarus

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    That would probably require significant socket redesigns. First thing that comes to mind would be the processor to be inserted upright into some kind of plate protruding from the mainboard. The processor itself having the die on both sides.
    That would be terrible for reliability though, a falling heatsink would mean a snapped socket.


    The easier thing would be bigger dies, but as we all know - bigger dies are more expensive to manufacture.

    Or the even easier thing would be to ditch that faking IGP, it's way too big. Honestly, they could at least make the K versions with a primitive IGP - primitive enough to offer usable video outputs.
     
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    why some people like me actually want the igp for quicksync purposes. what they could do is offer 2 versions one with igp and 1 without.
     

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