The RTX 2080Ti Thread

Discussion in 'Videocards - NVIDIA GeForce' started by Netherwind, Aug 20, 2018.

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  1. BangTail

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    He also says that he copied the BF1 DX12 SLI profile over and there is no DX12 SLI profile (or DX12 bits) for BF1, according to the second post in the link below, DICE confirmed that there will be no DX12 mGPU in BF1.

    https://forums.battlefield.com/en-us/discussion/161011/where-is-sli/p3
     
  2. Mufflore

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    Hardocp just had their replacement card die.
    This one had Samsung memory.
    2 out of 3 cards failed so far for them.
     
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    Whoa... did they OC? Or just stock usage for benchies?
     
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    Stock clocks, after running heaven benchmark.
    Next day it was dead, blank screen.
     
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    This is not the first launch where cards have died, I had 2 GTX 480s die on me, it happens.

    Cards die, for every one that does there are many more that continue to work perfectly and the defect that initially caused problems was identified and corrected.
     
  7. Mufflore

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    Why are you trying to persuade us without provocation?
    Its like a damage limitation exercise.
     
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    @Mufflore

    No, it's just getting old.

    If everyone whose card worked fine posted, we wouldn't be able to see these 'one card died' posts.

    I'm not trying to persuade you of anything, the facts are pretty clear, this whole thing was blown way out of proportion.

    There is no exercise in damage limitation, there was a problem with some FE cards, it was acknowledged and rectified.

    If there was anything more to say, I would be the first to say it.

    I prefer facts (like the ones presented by GN and Derbauer for example) over this constant scare mongering.
     
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    There still is a problem though, it hasnt been rectified. It is ongoing.
    The replacement card they received this week didnt last the week.

    How can you call reporting of actual failures scare mongering?
    You have an aversion to people telling the truth about this problem.
    I repeat, this looks like damage limitation.
     
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    @Mufflore

    No, because a certain amount of defective cards are well within the norm, it happens.

    Just because the card happens to belong to a high profile website, we hear about it more than we would if it was Joe Blow's card.

    It's scare mongering plain and simple and nothing to do with 'damage limitation'.

    Where were you for all the defective 980s and 1080s, why weren't you reporting every single case?

    If even 10% of all 20xx series cards were affected, I'd say this was newsworthy, but outside of the defective FE batch and according to people who have access to numbers it is nowhere close to that.

    The fact is that this was blown out of all proportion, as I said, GN and Derbauer have both confirmed this.

    I think it is you who is having trouble with the truth and the truth is that this is nowhere near as bad as some people want us to believe it is.
     
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  11. fantaskarsef

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    Chill out guys, we're all gurus....

    It's a shame, Nvidia and any manufacturing partner's should have had a better grasp on their quality assurance, but honestly that's lacking everywhere these days. Windows updates, faulty CPUs that lurked for years, failing graphics cards, you name the defunct products we get every day.
    I too have to admit, I can imagine manufacturing this GPU is a lot more difficult than the ones we've seen lately, as they are probably less difficult (less separate sections of CPUs like controller and CUDA cores for instance) means you can easier cut damaged sections to release cut down GPUs down the line of a GPU manufacturer.

    But what upsets me most is they charge premium prices for their line of cards, and not talking about performance in any way, they want $/€ 1200 to $/€ 1300 for a graphics card and don't even get their Q/A right.... I really want to read hard numbers of returns in percentage to shipped cards / GPUs, but it feels like this problem we're talking about here is all over the place. Maybe it's a thing, maybe it's exaggerated, I don't know, hence numbers would be nice. It just feels like they have more defunct cards than usual, at 150% of the price. That's adding insult to injury in the matter of failing cards (I don't want to talk about performance or RT in that matter, a wholly different story).
     
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    How it 'feels' is largely irrelevant and I don't work on emotional reactions, that's the problem with this whole situation, people are angry about the price so they react emotionally.

    As I have said two or three times now, Derbauer actually said that the RMA numbers were well within the norm (he actually provided numbers).

    A large amount of the 'defective' cards sent to GN were actually just a driver bug that was subsequently fixed and no doubt that also accounted for many of the reports of dead cards.

    It probably 'feels' like it is more widespread than normal because several youtubers know they can get clicks out of videos entitled 'Nvidia is the devil and they are coming to steal your children and burn down your house'.

    We all agree that the price is ridiculous and quite frankly, that is what is driving most of this hate.

    Nvidia's QA obviously f**ked the dog with the first batch of FE cards, no doubt about that either.

    RT is new and it will take time for it to become implemented in any meaningful way but I don't have so much of a problem with that, I remember when T&L first showed up ;)
     
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    Just to point out AGAIN, that the numbers he provided are just for the one retailer dealing with AIB cards. The numbers we really want to know are for the FE cards, which are only sold by NVIDIA, and they haven't released any RMA information.

    So it's all speculation at this point. However, Customer Perception, which is also very important as it affects purchase decisions, is that the Turing cards have a perceived issue of higher than normal failure rates. This is just as bad as actually having a high failure rate.
     
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    @Chastity

    While that is true, those are the only numbers I have, so that's what I'm going with along with my own experience with the cards I bought, none of which have had any problems.

    I don't do speculation based on an emotional reaction, that isn't going to render you a factual conclusion.

    Show me numbers to the contrary and I will adjust my opinion accordingly.

    Perception blah blah blah, the 2080 Ti is still sold out everywhere and every time it does come into stock, it is gone within minutes.
     
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    They're sold out because of low stock of sellable cards getting to vendors.
     

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    More baseless conjecture /yawn

    I find it rather strange that you spend your time in this particular thread being angry about a product you don't even own.

    Hell, owners who've had to RMA their cards are less agitated than you seem to be.

    At any rate, I'm just going to have to use the ignore function a lot more often, starting now ;)
     
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    This. Not many people go online to shout about how their product is working as intended.
     
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    Hi, could you share your flashing know-how, please?
     
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    That's not very tolerant. ;)
     
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    Likewise.

    As for being critical of NV, I was looking forward to getting a new card in 2019. Seeing how this launch went has me looking for alternatives.
     
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