The RTX 2080Ti Thread

Discussion in 'Videocards - NVIDIA GeForce' started by Netherwind, Aug 20, 2018.

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  1. Archvile82

    Archvile82 Member Guru

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    I might add it seems some have forgot these cards now do HW HDR with tone mapping so we should see some IQ improvements there. Cant wait to play Tomb Raider and F1 2018 on this thing when it arrives on by LG B6.

    Not that my 1080ti was bad, just the extra performance @4k and HDR improvements were enough for me to upgrade, that's without DLSS and RT extras we get. I am pretty sure we will see game patches for DLSS appear very quickly too.
     
  2. Darren Hodgson

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    After watching three video reviews of the RTX 2080 series cards on YouTube, I have to say that I'm deeply underwhelmed by them, especially the RTX 2080 which seems to be a more expensive version of the GTX 1080 Ti at its current pricing, only you pay a premium for the RTX feature which no-one has really been able to benchmark yet because... well, there's no games out there yet that make use of it!!!

    As for the RTX 2080 Ti, if money wasn't a consideration then the 20-40% framerate improvements at 1440p and 4K would be very nice but at (currently) £400 over the cost of the GTX 1080 Ti it looks to be poor value. The performance improvement over the last generation of GPUs is what you'd expect anyway so that £400 is for the RTX feature, again of which there is zero to show for it yet besides a Star Wars tech demo and a FFXV benchmark for DLSS.

    So glad I resisted the urge to pre-order. As some sites have mentioned, there's a sense that this card has been rushed out unfinished and why...? There's no competition from AMD so NVIDIA could have held back the cards until more games had support added, the new Windows 10 update was released and the drivers were more mature. Quite why they felt this card was needed now is unknown as there really isn't any game out yet that really needs one. The GTX 1080 Ti is perfectly capable of 4K 60 fps gaming with a few tweaks so that £1,100-£1,200 is really hard to justify... unless you've got money to burn, of course. ;)

    This card for me is like the GTX 480, perhaps not quite as bad as that, but it wasn't until the GTX 580 and especially the GTX 680 that the technology matured enough to produce great cards at great prices. I think it's fair to say that the RTX 2180 Ti and RTX 2280 Ti will be significantly better cards and (hopefully) better value once AMD release something competitive. And by then there might actually be a decent number of games supporting DLSS and ray-tracing to make them worth buying.

    If you ask me, right now, I would rather have paid £700 for the RTX 2080 Ti *without* the Tensor cores and just had that traditional 30% bump in performance in rasterised games. The RTX feature at this point in time has no value and by the time there is stuff to showcase it there will be new cards out anyway.
     
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    I can agree with some of what you said, other parts are subjective, but I don't agree that a single 1080 Ti is capable of 4k/60 FPS.

    You can get 4K/60 FPS on a 1080 Ti if you start disabling things but for many of us, that is not acceptable.

    This is the first card that seems genuinely capable of 4K/60 FPS with all the bells and whistles and it is what many of us have been waiting for :)
     
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    I understand but some of us are voting with our wallet as is always advised, it's hard to do.

    And yes I have a Vega 64 Pharma, as a result of this :/

    Talking about 'enough is enough' pharma... if enough people take that stand against Nvidia, they WILL respond.

    SO yeah, enough IS enough.

    ANYWAY that goes for me too, enough is enough ! I'll try and stay out of this but being an enthusiast I keep reading... and having something to say

    :oops:
     
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    Man you're inadvertently hitting the nail on the head with this
     
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  8. Darren Hodgson

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    Sounds to me like you are trying to justify getting one... ;)

    To be honest, many of things you can disable at 4K to get better framerates such as lowering AA quality for example are not going to be that noticeable anyway while playing unless you stop and take screenshots then compare them! For me anyway, it's the knowing that you aren't running with everything maxed out that is less acceptable rather than being able to see any actual real difference.

    Sorry but at £1,100-£1,200 the RTX 2080 Ti is simply not worth it, not when it doesn't even have anything to showcase its much hyped ray-tracing features besides one tech demo and a DLSS benchmark. That is an extremely poor showing from NVIDIA; it's no wonder they let people pre-order the cards a month before the reviews came out!

    Yes, it's 34% on average (according to Hardware Unboxed) faster than a GTX 1080 Ti at 4K but those sort of performance increases are expected as Pascal is almost two years old now. At 1440p, the RTX 2080 Ti's lead over the GTX 1080 Ti is just 23%. Of course, if money didn't matter then I would buy a card, absolutely no doubt; hell, I'd buy two. Sadly, the reality is that these are currently very hard sells for me as the value just isn't there. The tech sounds cool but there's nothing to show for it. Waiting for newer improved cards on the 7nm fabrication seems to be the sensible thing to do for me.
     
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    DLSS reduces image quality though, thats why they compare it to TAA only.
    The image is rendered at lower res and scaled up, you cannot get back lost detail.
    You may do better with 2x1080ti using one for DSR.
     
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    True, but seems in some cases the lost detail is worse than the DLSS image. One review site did mention they did not have enough time and would investigate DLSS with more detail. Keep in mind the DLSS examples you see now can only get better as optimizations and the technique is experimented with more.
     

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    Well I dont think it's even similar to traditional scaling. I think tensor cores can tell what have to rendered, and what pixels can be doubled without quality loss. 4K native + TAA in final fantasy looks much worse than 4K DLSS, and that's really something. With traditional upscaling you would never get even close results to 4K + TAA not to mention better results. FF15 with DLSS looks like 4K + SSAA to me, and on top of that game runs even faster than without AA, I'm blown away. Not only AA is free now, but also it speed up games LOL, that's insane.
     
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    You will never get back detail lost by rendering at lower resolution though.
    Even DLSS2x wont beat the iq of DSR 4x.
     
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    DLSS2x is not rendering at a lower resolution and scaling up.

    DLSS2x renders at native resolution and it certainly would look better than DSR 4x.

    DSR doesn't look remarkably good, 4xSGSSAA looks better.
    DLSS2x approaches 64xSSAA IQ

    Lastly, no reviewer has mentioned DLSS reducing IQ at all.
    I think you are underrating what AI can do.
     
  14. Mufflore

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    TAA will look worse, its lossy. But so is DLSS, just not quite as bad.
    DSR 4x is not lossy, it exposes more detail while giving superb AA.
     
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    Nah, I don't need a justification other than I want them.

    What works for you does not necessarily work for others and disabling AA, for example, is something that I find incredibly noticeable and irritating.

    It has nothing to do with 'knowing you aren't running with everything maxed', that's asinine (not you, just anyone who does that).

    It's the same reason I would often drop down to 1440P (when there is no SLI support for example) because there are certain places that I won't compromise when it comes to visual fidelity (AKA disabling things)

    I totally understand that many people are going to wait, and I think that is probably the prudent thing to do in a lot of cases, but a 4K/60FPS single GPU is what I've been waiting for so it's onwards and upwards ;)
     

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    https://www.hardwareluxx.de/index.php/artikel/hardware/grafikkarten/47377-die-geforce-rtx-2080-ti-und-rtx-2080-founders-edition-im-test.html?start=7
     
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    After reading several reviews, its pretty much what I expected. Ray Tracing is a very exciting new technology, but as with normal mapping, HDR, tesselation, etc, it may take 2-3 years before its really relevant. 4K is the big thing right now and the 2080 series does deliver on that, but the prices are extremely outrageous.
     
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    exactly why I waited for some numbers at 1440
    I am going to get a new monitor and i don't think my poor 980 could handle it
     
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    TAA is pretty much the modern standard for AA, If you take AAA games like battlefront/Battlefield/Rainbox Six Siege they don't even offer alternative to "TAA Low/TAA High".

    If you look into game engines you usually have TAA as default for PC on Unity/UE4 while FXAA is also available.
     
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