The RTX 2080Ti Thread

Discussion in 'Videocards - NVIDIA GeForce' started by Netherwind, Aug 20, 2018.

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  1. LuckyNumber8

    LuckyNumber8 Master Guru

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    Yes it should be obvious topic for anyone, but it wasnt for you because you were still ignoring obvious limits of human vision and the most important factor, the viewing distance. So I have quoted detailed article for you to back up my arguments, so rather than acting salty just read it and accept the facts. Human vision has limits and at further distance HD and 4K will appear exactly the same.

    Anyway after watching DF analysis in regards to RTX in Battlefield 5 it looks like RTX effects can be optimised much better and probably run at 60fps even at higher resolutions. Current RTX games are using RTX effects at 1:1 parity with raster resolution (that's what DF have said), and RTX cores are obviously too slow for 1440p or 4K. So upscaled RTX effects should still look good at native 4K and run in much better framerate. If many new games will support RTX effects decently even at higher resolutions, then RTX cards will be as revolutionary as geforce 3 once were (we have seen games with shaders for the first time), because we will see many new amazing effects in games. I bet few years from now RTX geforce cards will be so fast game developers will start using RTX for basically everything :p. So maybe we will get photorealistic graphics in games sooner than expected :). If RTX will adopt quickly on PC than maybe PS5 or Xbox 4 will also use something similar to RTX, because otherwise graphics quality on new console generation will look dated compared to PC with RTX effects :).
     
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  2. Slinkyminx

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    Oh dear, you sir, do not see what is happening.

    You are probably in a privileged position to not feel excluded or forced out of your 'hobby' As I imagine you will/be able to buy a 20XX, even when they cost £1000

    Nvidia are crushing us with there heavy steps, some of us feel those weighty steps more than others, which might be the 'upset' you detect in this thread. I won't drag this on, as anyone who doesn't see a problem likely won't see eye to eye with those which see it clearly.

    Luckily I have a few other hobbies myself but for those which enjoy cutting edge graphics and performance in PC gaming as there big 'thing' I am very sorry for them to have to endure this abuse from such an unscrupulous company as invidia.... Sorry Nvidia


    Anti-Competitive, Anti-Consumer, Anti-Technology

     
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  3. BangTail

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    How are you being pushed out of your hobby exactly?

    Because you can't afford a top of the line card?

    There are other options, you don't have to have a 2080Ti.
     
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    Slinkyminx Member Guru

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    This will go nowhere
     

  5. Dragam1337

    Dragam1337 Maha Guru

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    Well if his hobby is to have the cutting edge tech in pc gaming hardware, his comment has merit.

    Sure, if you just want to game, and settings / tech doesn't matter to you, there are plenty of options... but if you do want the cutting edge tech / graphics, then prices for that has just gone through the roof with the 2000 series :)
     
  6. BangTail

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    Yah, not really bud.

    He is not being pushed out of his hobby, he just can't/won't experience it at the highest fidelity.

    As @HeavyHemi said, these are just things and some people get way too emotional about them.

    There are far more important things in life than GPUs.
     
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    Dragam1337 Maha Guru

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    As a hardware enthusiast, i disagree :p

    If i can't play a game at the highest image quality, i either upgrade instantly, or wait for faster hardware to become available before playing the game - if i wasn't able to afford faster hardware... well let's just say i wouldn't get to play alot of new games... lol

    I totally feel where he is coming from, and i'm just glad that gpu power reqruired in the upcoming games doesn't seem to have moved much since ps4 / xbone came, cause that means i can likely get away with skipping the 2000 series, and still run games at the highest settings :)
     
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  8. BangTail

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    We'll agree to disagree then.

    I'd like a Veyron, I can't afford one.

    I still drive.

    Cheers :p
     
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    Limit 1 per household? I need to get a second mortgage to afford it!
     
  10. Slinkyminx

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    It's really hard, neigh, impossible to take anything you say, on this particular matter, even slightly seriously, with 2x 2080Ti in your PC specs.

    It's a procreating GPU.... Nvidia are ripping you off period, PERIOD, but it's simply not that of a big deal to you, THAT is why YOU'RE flippant about it.

    If my local gym raised my monthly membership from £25 to £50 because the only other gym around here closed, for example, they could go **** there own mothers, no matter how much I needed to train, I'd god damn well buy my own weights and train in my front room... before being screwed THAT badly.... OH WAIT!!!

    There are MANY PC ENTHUSIASTS who had to drop out with the 10 series. No more 2x top of the line GPU in SLI to have FUN tinkering with, and benchmarking and of course, GAMING! :D

    The pricing is Lunacy, the performance/£ is laughable now, and it's not even debatable, so yeah, I imagine a fair few pissed off people will surface to vent some thoughts.

    And that tired old car reference has been used for years in this context.

    I am not wanting to argue, I have nothing against you and well done to you for working hard and putting yourself in a position to afford the finer things in life, I respect you for that, enjoy it! However spare a thought for some others who share your enthusiasm minus your means.

    My issue is with Nvidia, there deceptive marketing tactics, abuse of the market, abuse of power, lies and general scumbaggery etc :D, NOT you.

    You can learn a few things about peoples beloved Nvidia from someone, who I think see's things VERY clearly and has the talent to be able to present the BIG picture, and put it together in a eloquent enough way as to be digestible by pretty much anyone who is able to open there eyes and ears.

     

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    It's not that I don't see your point, I do and I understand perfectly where you are coming from and you may also be surprised to hear that I do empathize (to a certain extent).

    Saying you won't take me seriously because I bought two of these cards is childish as it has nothing to do with the veracity of what I say.

    The fact of the matter is that these cards cost what they cost and essentially you have two choices, you buy them and accept the price (however fair or unfair you may think it is) or you don't.

    Life isn't fair, these companies (and you better believe Nvidia is not alone) are going to do whatever they can to maximize their profit.

    Nvidia may well be guilty of all the things you (and others) are accusing them of but that still doesn't change the price of the cards or that Nvidia are the only company offering any kind of new GPU technology in the near term.

    I've said it before and I'll say it again, would I rather pay less - of course I f*cking would.

    The assumption (that too many people on this forum make) is that the people who are buying these cards are idiots that just like to throw money away is asinine, we are enthusiasts who want the best gear and the best gear costs money, that's just the way it is.

    Cheers :D
     
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  12. Slinkyminx

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    I absolutely 100% do not and never have thought this

    And on a lighter note, let's be very honest... if you can afford those cards, I seriously doubt you are an idiot :p
     
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    I do respect the fact that you never had that thought but it is sadly pervasive on this forum.

    There is no correlation between wealth and intelligence, I've met some particularly stupid rich people in my time :p
     
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    The reality is, Nvidia hiked prices a long time ago. The Titan, first introduced with Kepler, was in effect a massive price hike, raising the price of the top card from about $600 or so to $1200. Ever since then, Nvidia has charged $1200 for their top consumer card - the only difference with Turing is that they dropped the Titan branding.

    This is the reason why I've always despised the Titan series and why I've always refused to buy one (even if I can afford it, I don't want to reward this type of behavior from Nvidia). It's also why I refused to pre-order a 2080 Ti - I feel that buying it would validate Nvidia's pricing strategy and encourage them to hike prices even further.
     
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    Interview with Nvidia's Tom Peterson. Lot's of questions answered.

     
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    The Titan has always targeted multiple sectors (FP64 with the first few and Deep Learning with the next few) and the first two of them were massive cards that shipped really early on in 28nm lifespan, when yields were absolutely abysmal. That's not to mention that 28nm was the first node that cost per transistor started plateauing. With Turing, Nvidia didnt really have a choice. There isn't node shrink, or at least they didn't feel like waiting for one, maybe the GF thing happened, there are no magical performance improvements like there were with Maxwell, there is literally nothing left for Nvidia to do to beat Pascal but either A. Shift the graphics paradigm to something else or B. Build a really big chip and sell it to consumers. They chose both. They currently aren't using the full Turing die, so a Titan may launch.. but yeah there isn't much room for one when the only way to beat Pascal to a reasonable degree is 750mm2.

    And honestly, irregardless to price, the market for some of these cards is starting to shrink. The vast majority of users (~90% according to steam) are on 1080p monitors, maybe 144hz, doesn't even matter really.. that level of performance is covered by $400, 1070s now. I mean I have multiple friends who used to upgrade every generation for over two decades, all stuck on 980's/980Tis because they feel it's more than enough for 1080p, with even the latest titles. Five years ago you'd need to shell out $500+ every gen to even consider playing the latest games at 1080p. Now you can get away with $250, 1060s and it's fine. This generation a 2060 or whatever AMD releases, will probably be even cheaper for that "user level".
     
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    This is where I am at, I was a pure 1080p user until my monitor decided to break and I upgraded to 1440p. I just hope these new cards perform well at that res because it is time to upgrade my 980. BF1 is quite laggy and i can't even play tomb raider because frame drops.
     
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    If all you want is max settings at 1440P, why not just buy a GTX 1080 Ti ? It will handle every game that is out. You can get one of the EVGA models for 650 US, and avoid the exorbitant pricing of the RTX cards.
     
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    it really depends on the kind of performance the card gives, i'd rather stick with new tech than upgrade to something that came out a few years ago which I could have bought then.
     
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    The GTX 1080 Ti was released on March 10, 2017. It is far less than a few years old. Granted, true, Pascal was released in 2016.
     
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