The Obama Deception (Movie)

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  1. Stukov

    Stukov Ancient Guru

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    If you are asking "what is the GOP" it is the reference to the Republican Party being called "Grand Old Party".
     
  2. pimp_gimp

    pimp_gimp Ancient Guru

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    GOP = Grand Ole Party, and yes it is something to do with Republicans, as it is just another term for their party.
     
  3. kwak

    kwak Ancient Guru

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    ah, thanks.
     
  4. im watching this movie now, and it is interesting to say the least. Theres alot of good points, but im also picking up on some hidden messages by the very people/persons that has made this film.

    I ask the question, whats wrong with a one world government? Todays we are already under government? I dont think theres anything wrong with it. There is NO evidence ive seen that states about global slavery etc.

    If you destroy the economy, where do they plan on getting money? when there currency will be worthless? "people will throw there money into the streets", and all the civil societys that generate income and financial funds will collapse and cease to halt. Therefore the money that people claim they have will be worth no more then rocks.

    Again, if they plan to enact this world government, and they plan to destroy this system of financias, go ahead..but they are only destroying them one another and bringing around a new stone age.

    American people and people worldwide in general may not wake up now and see whats going on, but if this NWO does happen...I can ganrentee! that it will not last 1 day! People will inevitably revolt and banks will not be able to control this, governments will not be able to control the population.

    The elite will be de-throwned and or killed. It really is that blunt. Remember, they will only destroy themselves, and all the glory they wish to hold....it really is that simple when you boil it down.

    Time and time again in history this has been shown, when governments turn against the people, the people turn against the government and in the end, the people win!
     

  5. JohnMaclane

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    This is it, the essence of world problems. Most people have no idea whats going on just look at the electoral results.

    We have block voting or what I like to call 'grand retards' entire families brainwashed into voting one party as if it were tradition. In my country out of a voting population of about 300k (yes were small) about 25k are considered 'floaters'.

    The second most important problem with politics is qualifications, most politicians have no idea what they are talking about not only that, they push even further by preaching about things they don't know about.

    Example (if you think its too hot ill remove it) energy, how many common misconceptions about power generation and the environment have politicians been using? This happens on both sides im pretty sure both democrats and republicans have no idea about the issue and either side is just spewing the advice from people of a particular agenda.

    I doubt obama ever once in his life decided to google power generation and read for himself the facts, heck my PM thinks that with a little wind farm he can close a power plant!

    Politics doesnt work, maybe it works in japan? I dunno.
     
  6. Dustpuppy

    Dustpuppy Ancient Guru

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    GOP stands for Grand Old Party, it's another name for the republican party.

    Fox news has a few (heavily)biased opinion shows and takes a bad rap for them. There is an actual news side of the network but it airs during the daytime and the pundits come on in prime time. Bill O'reilly is known for yelling at his guests which is why he ends up interviewing fox staff these days. Most of the news & punditry has a small republican slant until Glenn beck/Sean hannity come on, then the bias goes full retard (there used to be a liberal on the hannity show to balance him out/give both sides). Glenn beck has a bit of a Cassandra complex and weeps tears of patriotism on air.

    This is what worries me the most. Right now people are talking about term limits and kicking lobbyists out of Washington. I got no problem with the notion that lobbyists are causing corruption, but I got a very big problem with the notion that throwing out one of the major channels of advice between industry and politics is a good thing. We're destroying both experience (term limits) and knowledge (industrial lobby) under the guise of fighting corruption. Yeah corruptions a problem, yeah lobbyists cause corruption, but ineptitude causes catastrophe.
     
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  7. Stukov

    Stukov Ancient Guru

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    The problem with One World Government is that the best government is one that is closes to the people. In a OWG you would have the least say over governance over yourself, the laws, and how you live your life.

    In addition, no one on this planet is going to want the same exact things or laws, so the only way you are going to be able to force a OWG is through tyrannical despot, religious dogma, or drugging the population. Neither of these are the cornerstone for a free and open society.

    Unlike what some "we can all love each other" hippies or wannabies will tell you, people in the world want different things, have different opinions, and different values. No government has ever been able to rule a non-unified (in race, language, and culture) without trampling over liberty - let alone human rights, and a OWG isn't going to instantly solve that.
     
  8. Stukov

    Stukov Ancient Guru

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    While I don't agree with all that Glenn Beck says, I have to say he has some of the more informative shows because he has one of the best research teams I have ever seen on the MSM. Some of the stuff he had on Goldman Sachs and the people in government (previous and current administrations) is just so appalling I don't even know where to begin.

    If you actually watch him enough you will find out that many groups like PETA and some other "left wing radical" groups he actually respects, because they actually practice what they preach, they stand by their word, and they don't hide behind false pretenses. He may disagree with them, but he respects the fact they will actually debate the topic rather than doing attacks through he political "blogonewsphere".

    He also isn't particularly fond of either political party and is best described as a constitutional libertarian.
     
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    That's because the planet doesn't need saving in terms of CO2. As for the NWO, the REDD bank that would have been designated by the draft treaty to control the funds, happens to be owned by the Rothschilds, btw. Jesse Ventura showed us that in 'Conspiracy theory'. 'Just follow the money'.

    Check this site out about global warming and cooling being a natural phenomenon.
    http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/
     
  10. Passion Fruit

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    I'd of voted for Ron Paul. He was the only genuine candidate not in the pockets of wealthy men, and the only person who could truly change America for the better.
     

  11. Stukov

    Stukov Ancient Guru

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    I personally think the Federal Gov should only be there for military, foreign affairs, transportation/communications and the rest should be taken care by state or local authorities. The federal reserve needs to be banned for being unconstitutional (branches of government cannot give away their constitutional powers to other branches or private organizations).
     
  12. Finchwizard

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    I wouldn't get offended. It's only a very minor warning.

    And I won't be deleting anything. If you wish to move on, just don't post back in the thread and move on.
    Your infraction was for 1 day, it will expire tomorrow.

    As for everyone else, it looks like people are behaving. So keep up the good work and keep it from turning stupid.
     
  13. What I find most mind boggoling is how they plan to really take control of 6billion+ people! Any form of government be it, socialist, fascist, deomcratic, zionist what ever it may be, has proved that it CANNOT govern properly.

    How is a group of elite bankers any different? What, do you think there all best freinds who go out to private holiday resorts and talk civil with eachother? If you think that there all in this together, you are sorely mistaken.

    And how do you keep this secret. There is 130 members of the bilderberg group that Alex Jones claims are the "elite" of society. They are old men and old weman.

    I agree with you in some repsetc Stukov. I beg the question, if this Alex Jones is someone that is stiring up this NWO agenda to the populess, tell me why he hasnt been taken out?

    If the banks are ALL powerfull and can mastermind a complete financial collapse, why cant they take out a man who has apparently has alot of people hanging off his legs.

    It is NOT in the elites best interest to destroy civil society as we know it, without having any incite in terms of financial of governmental reprocussions I can tell you that its a back step, not a forward step to there "goal" of dominance.

    People have 0 faith in any government, what makes anyone think there going to obey a group of elite bankers, that cannot even agree amoungst themselves as to where this NWO will go or how it will be implemented.

    Maybe im wrong and in "x" amount of years time, we may see this NWO. But I can tell you with 100% certainly and accuracy and truth, that this One-World Governance will not last. There will be a One World Government, but man will not be the one bringing it about.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Bilderberg_participants

    There is SOOO much fear mongering. Be it movies, music, documentory whatever! Its all just a plow to sell and make money. Doesnt mean any of it holds any air.
     
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  14. Kaleid

    Kaleid Ancient Guru

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    Aw nuts, not an Alex Jones movie.
    I remember watching many of his older movies, in which he makes many predictions.. which have never happened.

    If there is a big problem in WH then it's that it's pretty much corporately owned, with both parties being almost identical.

    And I would agree that Bilderberg needs to be more publicly known.

    And no, Glenn Beck is certainly not a good source either.
     
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  15. Stukov

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    The reason he isn't taken out is because he isn't original, he isn't an insider, hell...he claims to have known about 9-11 before it happened and talked about it...but he wasn't the original person to have done it. He is more the nexus where people who are in the know seem to talk to. He only get's the information that people give him (and he puts together).

    There is no point in taking out the nexus/hub, you take out those with the actual information, then use the nexus/hub by giving disinformation and other things.

    Besides, if it wasn't Alex Jones it would be someone else, with Alex Jones he is already labeled on the fringe and crazy, so it is easier to dismiss and label someone a loony than simply remove him. He is well enough well known that should he die in mysterious circumstances it would mean he wasn't crazy.
     

  16. nm+

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    No, he doesn't.
    http://mediamatters.org/research/200912210015
    Seriously, the Daily Show is a better new source.

    Read these three sources:
    The Economist
    The Wall Street Journal
    The New York Times

    All of these run the gamet of editorial POV (NYT is somewhat liberal, WSJ is conservative, economist is fairly centrist with a fiscal conservative bent) and with the exception of the editorial pages they're all very reliable sources (waits for hate on NYT from people who don't read it).
    If you want more the Christian Science Monitor is one of the best sources of investigative journalism in the US (despite its name it doesn't have a "Christian" bent) and the Washington Post is getting to be a bit of a rag but isn't bad.

    Honestly avoid TV shows, especially pundit shows. The fact is that these 24 hour news channels are all dreck. They need to fill in 24hrs and there isn't 24hrs of news everyday. Instead we get balloon boy and pundits.
    Punditry is bad. They simply subsist on sniping and division. They specialize in riling up emotions and emotion is never good.
    If a commentator is relying on fear, odds are he's manipulating you.

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    Conspiracy theories are asinine. The government isn't that great at keeping **** silent. It is always amusing to hear people rant about how bad our government is at everything and then spew theories about what the government is hiding from us. This is the government that couldn't hide a whitehouse blowjob for chrissake.
     
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  17. Kaleid

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    One more vote for reading news. It's far less opinionated and less infotainment.
     
  18. nm+

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    Exactly.
    Alex Jones is a hack, and he's laughing all the way to the bank because people believe his bull****.

    Fun fact: The banks basically owe everything they have to the Federal Reserve. They don't control the government. Most government debt is not owned by banks but rather individuals (savings bonds, t-bills, etc) and other nations. And the creditors have no control over a debtor nation that isn't in default. The US, despite all its recent problems is no where near default.

    I'd also note that some of the biggest banks in the world like RBS are gone and others like UBS are shrinking dramatically. Citi, BofA, and the like are big but they ain't that big.


    A bipartisan council with absolutely no power expect to advise? Terrifying.
    Yes, it turns out that 10 is a nice round number. You're adding up 10 and 10 and ending up with 1000.

    Economist
    Wall Street Journal
    New York Times

    And you're done. Stop getting your news from TV or the radio.


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    I'd also point out that the fact that people are terrified of a University fo Chicago Professor bring "socialism" is hilarious if you know the first thing about UofC. I'll get you started: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_school_of_economics
    UofC is known for being a quite conservative school and the law school is no exception and is basically Posner's bitch.
     
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  19. thecake90

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    All of the US presidents are of the same side of one coin, except JFK maybe. Presidents are not elected they are selected. We are given the illusion of being in charge.
     
  20. Stukov

    Stukov Ancient Guru

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    I take it you don't study history much do you.
     

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