The Devastating Effect of Ad-Blockers for Guru3D.com

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  1. FordLynx07

    FordLynx07 Member Guru

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    I never use any ad blocks and I know good sites like guru3d.com only displays ads worth giving attention.
     
  2. Evildead666

    Evildead666 Maha Guru

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    AFAIK, Guru3D has not much control over which ads are displayed.
    it geo-located as well, so they would have to validate for every possible combination of countries. They don't.

    It would be nice if Hilbert could explan the interaction, and tiering, available with these ad companies, if he's allowed to talk about it.

    I sometimes get extremely dubious ads from Guru3D (and others).
    Do you think "Free Software Converter" seems like a good ad ?
     
  3. gumbanator

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    Try reducing costs

    Okay so along with ever youtuber i subscribe too guru3d along with many sites that were a started up as a hobby are now a business and crying about addblock what about reducing costs ? 5 colo servers for a website and forum ? thats stupid amounts of money !!!! try online.net and get a very powerful dedicated server for like 30 euros a month and adverts have no influence over me buying anything ever and are such a bad security risk and slow down my craptastic net to a crawl and they do make websites look horrid i will prolly donate sometime - single parent of a special needs child im hardly rolling in it
     
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  4. H83

    H83 Ancient Guru

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    For me the "best ads" are then ones completely unrelated to hardware and gaming.

    Once my system was infected with some nasty crap from some dubious porn site and everytime i visited to Guru3d and other hardware sites, i would have tons of russian and asian date sites and sexual toys ads showing up. It was infuriating and funny at the same time!...:D
     

  5. NAMEk

    NAMEk Master Guru

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    ^ It's funny until your children don't see them. For families ad-blocking is must.
     
  6. Eleventeen

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    Donated instead. Pretty sure even though it's a small amount , it will amount to more than you'd get from ad revenue from me (I never purchase items linked through ads).

    Also while I just hate ads in general since I'm the kinda guy to actively seek out what I want (which I think is true for most of your users given the type of site) there is another reason I keep them disabled:

    Your site/frontpage is especially graphically heavy. Having ads on increases the loading time by almost 50%! Sometimes more.

    And I have a extremely fast, highly tweaked system with a 100+mbps fiber op connection.. So maybe consider some optimization to your homepage/ad code and more people may enable them.

    (You'd think in this day and age with how crazy fast are computers are we could handle freaking webpages near instantly, even larger ones, but yea I guess the nerds at google just don't care to optimize chrome that much anymore and are focusing on more and more bloatware slowing it down)

    Also the ideas of a subscription/maybe patreon for bonus stuff is a good idea. I mean yea don't make people pay for whats already free here, but you could offer more value:
    Maybe for all the cool benchmarks you do, you could set up batch file/scripts into a zip packing and let subscribers only get those so they can compare results to yours. I much prefer real world game benchmarks over synthetic ones, but almost no games these days offer them. So you could do like time demos for games that support those, or autohotkey scripts + fraps config for games that don't.

    Anyways keep up the great work Hilbert, hope you get lots of donations and increased revenue to keep the site awesome and live well.
     
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  7. Koniakki

    Koniakki Ancient Guru

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    Same here. Guru3D is obviously whitelisted on all my "security" extensions.

    I also wanna add since we are on the subject, that I do not mind ads. What I mean by this?

    I mean unobtrusive ads. Because I considered pop-up windows/ads and automatically played video ads completely unacceptable.

    You can fill the entire page with ads(within common sense ofc) and I don't really mind. I even click on them sometimes if I see something that interests me. But that's about it.

    As I said, obtrusive ones? Unacceptable. Just my 0.03c.


    P.S: As long as Guru3D is not like below is fine by me. lol :D

    [​IMG]
     
  8. Eleventeen

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    Oh yea i turned them on for a sec just to see how "non-obtrusive" they are.

    IMO they are quite obtrusive.
    EG:
    Animated ads are obtrusive. Period. Anything animated is very distracting to me when trying to read text. Atm you have a movie that autoplays for SW:Battlefront on the right - very annoying, and unnecessary - I mean you covered that game in a few articles now, all of your loyal readers know about it, and any gamer worth their salt already knew and probably pre ordered it already (if they are going to) anyways.

    - MASSIVE double side full background ads: Semi obtrusive imo. Especially given this one is 100% contrasting to your main style. Ones that aren't so contrasting are kinda ok. (Also this one is trying to sell me the video card I already have in my computer...)
    So yea thats 2 for two for products I already own/pre ordered lol, bad targeting there.

    Total ads: 6
    2 are obtrusive.
    None are relevant to me. (well 2 are but are things i've already purchased)
     
  9. Eleventeen

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    Oh yea on the issue on the whole, since a ton of sites/youtubers are noticing this lately:
    I think the best course of action would be to target the source, not the end users.

    The vast majority of end users will only do whats convenient. Easy. IT nerds/power users like me will block all ads with a vengeance and we can't be stopped..

    But you can alleviate the problem.
    Adblock plus default "show some non-obtrusive ads" is a start. I'm willing to bet over 80% of your 50% don't have that option turned off. Infact they all most likely have 100% defaults only.

    So your best bet is to get your adds approved for that list. I don't think your animated ones will make the cut, but some other may. Convert some to simpler text ads and you may do better.

    Though on the big picture, the main people who can solve this (to a degree) are google/mozilla. They could enforce only non-obtrusive adblockers to be allowed on their extension store. While I don't want that in theory, as a power user I'd just install the full version manually in developer mode from the direct site.. But 95% of people wouldn't do that. (Given your demographic far more people would get the third party version here obviously).. But on the whole, it would have a huge impact without having to directly battle the power users/adblock devs directly which is a losing battle.

    Obviously such a thing would need to be handled with great care.. But in the end it may impact average joe, and thus make free sites like this better (and thus better for the power user too).

    (and if your reading this average joe, well your not average joe anymore)
     
  10. Evildead666

    Evildead666 Maha Guru

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    I think if you have a good look at the terms of those sites, the more bandwidth/traffic you use, the more you pay (usually).
    Its cheap for mister nobody, but a site with a lot of traffic is going to be expensive. They might not be allowed for a commercial site (one that makes a profit), either.
     

  11. lordofthering

    lordofthering Banned

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    Careful what you wish. No law and any abuse of force should regulate market, market will regulate itself, that's why adblock and other things exist by now, let things go in their natural flow, and everything will be fine. At the end, those blockers will harm ad services, long before they will destroy good websites, and, they will force them to adopt and change their bs. model (yeah there is double meaning in bs ty very much :) ).

    Take a popcorn and enjoy the show in years to come, because it is not G3D that will be harmed by it (as long as it is managed in smart ways), but those who did create the mess in the first place.
     
  12. tsunami231

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    and chrome is POS that makes you run threw hoops to delete cookies/browser cache on exit it only clears on restart ( there if virus/malware was in that browser cache it mgiht be to late by time you restart it), and even then it dont clear the data correct. which why dont use and ever time i try chrome to see if they fixed that i found out they did not. google dont want you deleting that stuff which why it you have to go threw hoops to do so. FF might not be what use to be but it sure as hell dont make go threw hoops to delete that data ever time it is closed.

    Your point no more no less valid then the people that refuse to disable ablock cause the fact malware can come threw ads these days and you cant guarantee it wont happen. Your smart person you have to realize this. I mostly see you try to tell people there is no difference with it on or off when for ALOT people there is.

    Either way i done with this topic you and no one else is gonna convince the people that like there web sites being free of ads that might have malware in them and loading faster, to disable/white list the site. no one in there right mind that know that malware can come threw ads will do so. if your income is becoming issue, Put the donation button on the main page where everyone can see it and not in contact us page most people will never go to. and make sub for the site that dont have ads, you will get more bites that way then try to convince people to disable adblockers.
     
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    Disabled ABP for Guru3d.com

    Hilbert thanks for all the informative and greatly written articles all these years.
     
  14. Yecnot

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    I was actually responding to the guy talking about how advertisements never work on him. Of course ad-blockers are a different story...
     
  15. Labyrinth

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    Lol @ Firefox being a POS, I'm guessing because that's it's the only browser that puts privacy first.

    It sure works perfectly fine for me and lightbeam gives me extra control over my privacy.
     

  16. Singleton99

    Singleton99 Maha Guru

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    Look chaps it's very simple , if you want this site to survive which i do as over the years i have come here many many times for help with PC problems ,buying advice,great reviews and a fab forums then,Please turn your ad blockers off for god's sake, its no big deal if there a few seconds difference in page loading time and a few ads here and there.
    And for trackers i don't give two sh*ts about i have nothing to hide and they can track away.
     
  17. LIGuitar77

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    I was one of the first people not involved in military ever online, before QLink became AOL, on a C64 300 baud modem. The internet was fantastic without ads. In short, just no.
     
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    The ads really aren't a big deal. It's the security risk that is involved when the ad companies can't guarantee the safety of their ads to any extent. Once you get hit by a malvertising ad....you'll start blocking them as well.
     
  19. AntiSnipe

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    Enjoy your malware!

    All this got me curious again, so I disabled all my blockers and took a little web surf while looking at Lightbeam (addon that shows the info in the pics), and paid attention to the speed/feel of browsing like so:

    1. Guru3d main page > Forums > this thread.
    2. aguitarforum.com > forums thread with youtube video embedded and playing, which causes the shown connection to youtube.
    3. EYguitar Chinese guitar parts sight > navigate to pickups I would normally be buying. You'd think this would be the dangerous sight, but it's the safest of the three.

    Results: Guru3d was significantly slower to load, stuttered and sputtered and was generally a PITA!

    Here's what the whole trip looks like with no ad blockers. Guru3d is quite nasty by comparison to the other sights. Silly amount of tracking, stalking, and massive amount of ads top to bottom, full background, down the sides in menus, in text, ALL OVER the pages. Facebook and three others stalked me from here to aguitarforum.com. I want NOTHING to do with Facebook, why should I let them spy on me? Aguitarforum only had two extra connections (compared to guru3d's what...30+?), the others were stalkers from guru3d and the embedded youtube video. The Chinese parts sight was nice and clean too.

    [​IMG]

    ...and with blocking on. Snappy load times, no more sputtering, no stalkers, or trackers. Yeah...sorry again, but not only was Guru3d bad, it's really bad about ads and tracking compared to other sights I frequent.
    Honestly, it made me a little mad considering it's the sight asking me to "pull my pants down" and pick up the soap.

    [​IMG]
     
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  20. HeavyHemi

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    I don't know but didn't your photobucket links give more away than disabling your adblocker, Elvin?
     
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