The AMD Ryzen All In One Tread /Overclocking/Memory Speeds & Timings/Tweaking/Cooling Part 2

Discussion in 'Processors and motherboards AMD' started by vbetts, Sep 24, 2018.

  1. Mr. Sunshine

    Mr. Sunshine Master Guru

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    Nice little setup.

    I finally have things settled in on my system.
    3700X with PBO/with Auto +200mhz gets me 4.425ghz on 5 core, 4.40+ghz on 7 cores, one core will only max at 4.375ghz on my ROG Strix X470 board.
    Fractal Celsius S36 with Be Quiet Silent Wing 3 fans get me 88c in Prime95 Small FFT after about hour run. Games run 58-62c.
    Memory overclocked, 32GB dual rank (IF @ 1866 (mem @ 3733 C16-17-17@1.42V)
    Heres some numbers:

    Memory :https://imgur.com/FKu6Vzq

    CB R20 :https://imgur.com/jkPA5Hb

    CB R15 :https://imgur.com/6pgigZD

    Overall happy with setup...
    Would like to see them get the PBO/AOC working correctly in the future. 3800X and 3900X core will go to 4.5-4.6 boost max and I know these cores on my 3700X can do more. I've messed around with OC each core one by one and they go to:

    C0- 4.450ghz
    C1- 4.500ghz
    C2- 4.525ghz
    C3- 4,400ghz
    C4- 4.600ghz
    C5- 4.475ghz
    C6- 4.375ghz
    C7- 4.400ghz

    So if PBO with +200mhz OC worked then I would see least 4.5ghz on 3 core at some point.
     
  2. Evildead666

    Evildead666 Maha Guru

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    Without PBO, on my 3800X, all of the cores boost to 4516 at some point or another, probably at the 1.49V max that is seen in HWInfo.
    In Cinebench R20 single, one of the two best cores (0 and 3, for me) stays at 4516MHz.
    They switch every now and then.

    99.8MHz FSB though, cant find any spread spectrum for the VRM's anywhere...yet :)
     
  3. Mr. Sunshine

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    Ive always ran PBO on Auto(default on board) or Enabled with tweaks. I'll disable to see what it gives me. You do have a 3800X which has a higher boost. So your 4516 is really 4525 if 99.8 issues was gone.....Have thats same FSB issue... sucks. Which board do you have?

    Edit: In Cinebench R15 single,(0 and 3) at 4400MHz. Going to let system run for a bit see what cores do.
     
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  4. Evildead666

    Evildead666 Maha Guru

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    I specifically decided on a 3800X for the extra base clock and boost clock, and TDP. :)

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  5. fry178

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    @Mr. Sunshine
    Picture is too blurry. Got something with a bit more res?
     
  6. Mr. Sunshine

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    If you click on pic it will enlarge.... I've tried post screen shots but never works. What or how are you guys doing that?
     
  7. Mr. Sunshine

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    I was going back and forth of 3700x vs 3800x figured would OC alittle so could hit 3800x speed... that was before we figured out how these chips work...wish I would have bought 3800X... but cant be to upset still runs good. I disable PBO only hitting 4.4ghz on six cores, 4.35ghz on other two.
     
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  8. Kool64

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    That's weird mine hits 4.4 on 3 4.35 on another 3 and 4.325 on two with no PBO. However with PBO on my speeds go down. 3700X.
     
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    I am an avg joe/gamers. You have an interesting way at looking at things,maybe check out this screen CL16 3800Mhz @ 1.36v boosting to 4450Mhz on X470 3600X.
    https://i.**********/vTtb26Mf/CL16-3800-Mhz-Ram-Boost-4450-Mhz.png
     

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    Typo... 4.4 on six 4.35 on two... sorry
     
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    Oh im not saying its not worth it, just not for most. Not many ppl that know how to tweak/test ram beyond using xmp, especially as gains arent day and night difference (vs lets say ram at 3600, which i got for 100$, not sure how much the difference is on price)
    Running R3600 auto/stock, pbo on auto, 3600/18-22-22-41-1T, GD/BS off,
    it boosts to 4.2 on low loads, 3.975-4.025 for 100% load on all cores with prime95 (small test) with temps around 70*C (aio saturated).
    Any further tweaking would gain probably another 10%,
    i just dont see the reason, as even siege runs "maxed" incl txaa 2x and still have constant 75 vsync @1440p.
    Almost all other games (nfs rivals/AC7..) i can run constant 60fps with power saving profile and cpu locked to 2.2 ghz...

    And since i sold my drone, i wont mess with editing 4k video much, so no need on content side either.
    Similar with most other users that wont use the pc much past surfing/office/gaming.
     
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    wow I wish my board had that 180W EDC. my measly 90 watts is a hugely limiting factor.
     
  15. gerardfraser

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    Makes sense,I only play games at higher resolutions but tweaking crappy ram for gains is better than spending more money on ram.
    Thanks for the reply,I tested some games if interested and if you have not seen them 2133Mhz thru to 4200Mhz Ram tight timings ,not a real difference in most games.
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    RAM TIMINGS USED FULL NO AUTO



    Oddly though CPU hits it limit for Thermal Design Current (TDC) when all cores are hitting there stride,gotta bypass that thing somehow.
    I just game,all is good,cheap gear for excellent gaming experience.AWESOME
     
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    Our final testing concerns RAM speeds - something that, for most of PC gaming's history, has largely been ignored even by enthusiasts.
    After all, most contemporary tests revealed only minuscule improvements for adopting higher-frequency or lower-latency sticks. Instead, only shifts from one RAM standard to another, like DDR3 to DDR4, were really noticed.
    That began to change with the release of first-gen Ryzen though, as the communication speed between different core complexes was tied to RAM frequency.
    Suddenly, upgrading from 2400MHz to 3000MHz RAM could result in a (relatively) huge uptick in average and minimum frame-rates.
    RAM speed also becomes more important when targeting high refresh rates, alongside CPU speed, so the uptake of 144Hz monitors has also heightened the importance of fast RAM.

    Fast forward to 2019 and third-gen Ryzen, and RAM is in a good spot. High-frequency kits at 3200MHz have become largely affordable, with even faster sticks available for deep-pocketed gamers or content creators that want to wring every ounce of performance from their machines.
    AMD's guidance suggests that third-gen Ryzen sees benefits all the way up to 3733MHz, with 3600MHz being the sweet spot, so it's no surprise that AMD provided us with a shiny Trident Z Royal 3600MHz kit for our CPU testing.

    In order to give a better account of how much RAM speed matters - and therefore, whether it's worth including 3600MHz or even faster RAM in your next PC upgrade, we've tested each chip in three games at 3000MHz and 3600MHz.
    The results are far from uniform, suggesting that different game architectures see dramatically different results when using high-frequency RAM kits.
    For example, Ashes of the Singularity Escalation shows a six per cent advantage for the 3600X when switching from 3000MHz to 3600MHz RAM, while in Far Cry 5 the advantage is only one per cent - definitely not worth the extra expense.
    Crysis 3 is something of a surprise, with a noticeable three per cent improvement despite being released in an era where RAM speed was more-or-less ignored.

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    -> https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/...-ryzen-5-3600x-vs-core-i5-9600k-review?page=4

    Note:
    Im just wondering how it will scale (in Bench) for my Setup.
    1900FLCK 3800MHz CL14 1T (~62-63ns) with All core 4300MHz :p

    E.g. im glad i have this setup for sake of older games like:
    AC: Syndicate or Unity -> can Play with all options now !

    Im using for gaming less demanding OC:
    2 cores up to 4350MHz, 2 at 4300 then all other way down to 4200MHz -> best IMhO
    W averages at ~20-27tW ! (P-states On, sometimes Cores just sleep, it's not visible in HWinfo (yet) but only in RM)
     
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    I guess you won the silicon lottery hard because my 3600 with settings like yours in prime95 small fft doesnt boost more than 3875 on all cores and temps go north to 80 degrees with an noctua nh-u12a.
     
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    @gerardfraser
    a couple of years ago i might have messed with stuff more, just dont care to go thru changing (bios settings), run memtest,
    clear cmos, change settings again, run memtest, until i pass that only to see it not stable in prime etc, and having to start over,
    for a 1-10% increase.
    I do look at stuff way before buying it, so i had planned on going max on ram clock that allows 1:1 with IF,
    and so far im happy with the (tiny) tweaks i have (hw/sw) and i usually end up being in the top 3,
    when i compare to other 3600 when it comes to benches/games etc.
    maybe in a few weeks when its a bit colder here i might start messing with oc,
    as numbers i've seen from you and others (not just here on guru, iirc your on a couple of forums ?!)
    do make me a bit jelly, lol


    @liviut
    Actually i dont think that.
    only got that using the latest 1903 build for win, last bios update, and last 2 chipset drivers.
    dont use the tweaked power profile, same for pbo/xmp etc.
    i only set ram speed/voltage manually, and everything else is auto.
    using a X570 might have helped too.

    but lots of ppl dont know/forgot that we aren't "cooling" things, we're removing heat, so using something like liquid metal,
    which has about 10 times the transfer capability (about 7x W/m) vs "other" TPs (usually only around 4-12 W/m), did help lowering temps by about 3-5*C.
    then again im running a 240 aio which helps, as your dumping the heat outside the case (vs air cooling),
    even that it has a kinda weak pump that i had planned to replace, most reviews show the limit is coming from the transfer between cpu/HS/cooling block,
    so not much you can do on yours, and im not willing anymore to go custom on my loop for "just" a few degrees,
    as long as im within thermal limits when it comes to continuous load.
     
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    i had a 240 aio too and the temps were worse and i have everything on auto beside the ram and pbo off because if i go pb on in games i have 1.45 volts so o thanks and it's not even boosting to 4.1 or more, and my windows is 1903 with all the updates and using ryzen balanced plan too.
     
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