The AMD Ryzen All In One Tread /Overclocking/Memory Speeds & Timings/Tweaking/Cooling Part 2

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  1. OnnA

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    The BIOS with new AGESA 1003 ABBA that must improve boost for Ryzen 3000 available for download through the BIOS EZ-Flash utility for C7H. Not published on the website yet.
    Check if your motherboard has an update too. Share your results!

    https://i.redd.it/l2kzj084aln31.jpg


    HeroVI non wifi's accompanying version
    https://www.dropbox.com/s/38jvi3uuq1esnlt/CROSSHAIR-VI-HERO-ASUS-0075.rar?dl=0

    C6h wifi bios to fix the random dram oc boot issues:
    https://www.dropbox.com/s/qx1w31xdasl5pgw/ROG-CROSSHAIR-VI-HERO-WIFI-AC-ASUS-0075.rar?dl=0

    Source -> https://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?112279-X370-X470-AGESA-1003AB-Bioses/page88#post784979
     
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    Why anyone having a motherboard with flashback, is using EZ flash is beyond me :)
     
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    AMD Ryzen Threadripper 3000 HEDT ‘Initial’ CPUs Officially Launching in November – 24 Zen 2 Cores,
    Great Multi-Tasking Performance & The Most Feature-Rich HEDT Platform

    AMD has officially confirmed that they will be introducing their Ryzen Threadripper 3000 CPUs in November 2019.

    The news comes alongside the announcement that the Ryzen 9 3950X flagship processor has been pushed back to November so that AMD can launch both high-end processor series in volume.

    AMD Ryzen Threadripper 3000 Launching in November – Initial Lineup Optimized For Gamers and Enthusiasts With 24 Cores

    The 3rd Gen AMD Ryzen Threadripper family or Threadripper 3000 as we like to call it has seen numerous leaks in the recent months, from performance benchmarks to specifications exposure.
    Now AMD has officially confirmed in a tweet that the initial SKUs of the AMD Ryzen Threadripper 3000 processors would be making their way to the market in November 2019.

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    The initial lineup which is most probably going to include chips optimized for gamers & enthusiasts would offer better performance with the new 7nm Zen 2 core architecture,

    delivering a stellar increase in multitasking performance and a huge boost to single-core tasks with the 15% IPC increase.
    The same underlying DNA which was used to built EPYC ‘Rome’ processors will be used and featured on 3rd Gen Threadripper processors so expect some amazing performance numbers.

    There have been rumors about AMD splitting their platforms into enthusiasts and workstation-focused so AMD would probably launch the enthusiast variants first followed by a workstation focused platform and CPU launch close to 2020.
    This may also tell why the recent leaks have only shown a 32 core and 64 thread part with the 64 core and 128 thread chip aiming the workstation ‘WRX’ platform.
    AMD has also announced that the initial SKUs would include a 24 core and 48 thread chip as the top variant with more chips to follow later on.

    -> https://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-threadripper-3000-official-launch-november/
     
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    The IPC Battle normalized at 4GHz :D

    Expanding upon all the testing we performed in our day-one 3rd-gen Ryzen coverage, today we'll be running a clock-for-clock comparison benchmark. IPC stands for "instructions per cycle" and it can be a good indicator of a processor's architecture efficiency.
    Traditionally Intel Coffee Lake CPUs have offered high IPC coupled with a high operating frequency and that’s the best combination for maximum performance.
    Although AMD is still trailing when it comes to frequency, they appear to have closed in and possibly exceeded Intel’s IPC performance with this last update.

    To see how much headway AMD’s made here, we’re going to neutralize as many variables as we can, while also keeping things as realistic as possible.

    The first and most obvious step is to remove core frequency from the equation and to do this we’ve locked all CPU cores at 4 GHz.
    Any type of boost technology has been disabled, meaning the cores cannot go past 4 GHz and all cores are clocked at 4 GHz.
    Then for the Ryzen 9 3900X we’ve disabled two cores in each chiplet, taking it from an 12-core part down to an 8-core part.
    All CPUs tested will have 8 cores active, but where the 3700X has them all in a single die, the 3900X spreads the cores across two dies (two 4-core chiplets).

    Wrap Up: Generational Upgrades

    AMD has taken a big step forward with 3rd-gen Ryzen.
    We knew that from the moment we first tested the 3700X and 3900X and we were expecting good things after AMD claimed a 15% uptick in IPC performance at Computex prior to launch.

    Our take is they weren’t exaggerating: with cores and clock speeds at parity the 3900X provided an 18% improvement over the 2700X in Cinebench's multi-core test and 13% for the single-core test.
    We also saw a 13% improvement in V-Ray and 16% in Corona.

    -> https://www.techspot.com/article/1876-4ghz-ryzen-3rd-gen-vs-core-i9/
     
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    ok so i followed your advice of setting trrcdwr and trcdrd to 17, i still cant make it work at 3800, my system just reboot while i memtest even tho it doesnt make any error, im using 4 sticks so maybe its too much for the memory controller, im on an asrock steel legend x570, but using the 17-17 allowed me to reduced my tfaw to 24 and trp to 8,i was also able to bring down trfc to 288 from 364, overall i shaved of maybe 4 seconds on the default test in mem test, but my latency and bandwith on aida stayed pretty much the same

    https://imgur.com/a/TyQERC4
     
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    ^^ IMhO it's very good OC, if it works then do not touch ;)
    65ns is Great for gaming, wait for newer BIOS and then try.

    Remeber:
    1st is stability
    2nd not always when good in AIDA is good for Gaming.

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    Also im using LLC 3 for SOC and LLC 4 for CPU.
    CPU V is at: Auto and Offset at -0.0062500
     
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    im already on abba, i just cant make it work at 3800, but the tweak is fast and 100 % stable so ill leave it like this, gain must be minimal anyway from 3733 to 3800

    i use llc 3 for cpu and 3 for soc, evything else on auto, no pbo, i get 4,575 mhz in single core boost in cinebench but it can get to 4600 otherwise 7393 multi core cine20 and 521 single core score
     
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    @Jawnys Ram Calculator is good but it is only a starting point. Currently running timings similar to the calculator's suggested settings. Difference is that there are a few timings that are tighter and that the ram voltage is below what is stated as minimum; fully stable at 1.3800 for the ram @3800 and fabric at 1900. As far as Aida94 is concerned, have noticed that the latency is lower when the timings are not so tight. Setting the AddrCmd/CsOdt/Cke CadBus settings at 60 had a very good influence on stability. When I had then on Auto the rig would randomly reboot. Setting of 1 worked as well. It all just flowed better when set at 60. Plus left the LLC settings on Auto. SOC is an Offset of +.00625 which for my board comes in at 1.100v.
     
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    well i did try different setttings, i have a picture of my oc, my setttings arent like on the calculator, i just cant make it work with 4 stick at 3800, but its rock stable at 3733, and the sub timing are tightened compared to the calculator, better tfaw, better trfc and trtp

    as you can see here https://imgur.com/a/TyQERC4
     
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    Highest I can get is 3733mhz @ 1.42v memory/ 1.125v SB...... 3800mhz wont boot. system just power cycles till defaults.


    https://imgur.com/a/sxJdEd2
     
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  12. gerardfraser

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    I see you have 32GB Ram and they are good settings ,I think you may be able to run 3800Mhz.You have a couple settings that you can try to adjust for a different result.

    Your tRFC setting are are set aggressive and may prevent booting @ 3800Mhz check out screen below
    Also some voltages are high but you have 32GB and may need them but worth a shot to adjust

    I would try in BIOS ,according to screenshot look like you have settings for 4 sicks of RAM.
    SOC-1.05v-1.1v
    VDDG-0.950v
    VDDP-0.900
    DRAM-1.36 Start here for lower temperatures and see if you can boot
    CPU On-die termination-32-36.9 For Two Sticks of RAM and 40 For 4 sticks of Ram
    RattPark -RZQ5 For Two Sticks of RAM and RZQ1 For 4 sticks of Ram

    My settings for reference if you want to look-X470 + 3600X + CL16 3800Mhz + 1900Mhz uclk=fclk
    https://i.**********/Fz1HZ8Sk/1900fclk-2.png
     
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    cant boot in 3800 as well with 4 stick, im running on asrock steel legend x570, i cant set vddg below 1.0 on my board, 1.0 is tthe lowest i can go for some reason, if i try to lower it, it goes to auto. 4 stick will boot with 36.9 on die termination as well as 34, 40 is a no boot situation,
     
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    Yes I have 32GB B-die Dual Rank... its this set:
    https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820232386?Item=N82E16820232386

    As for settings I'll have to mess around with them. Any Data/Cad Bus settings I have left at auto so maybe setting them will help.

    Update: Tried settings... no go. those setting wouldnt even let me boot at 3733mhz speed. Even tried your exact setting... no boot. So thinking 3733 is max for these sticks. Going to see if I can tweak sub timings lower squeeze out little more.

    I will ask how you got that 3600X to PBO+OD@ 4700mhz and hit 4450mhz?? Thought max was 4600mhz for PBO...
     
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    Thought I try to help,sorry it did not work out for ya but 3733Mhz Is good enough and fast.
    For 3800Mhz with the RAM you have more DRAM voltage I would try at least up to 1.5v as long as you have some air to cool RAM.Just a suggestion,if you did not try it yet.

    On my MSI X470 Gaming Plus Motherboard I can set PBO Override up to 500Mhz,so it would read 4900Mhz in Ryzen Master for the 3600X.

    EDIT:In the screenshot it is set to Auto overclock on enhanced mode 4 ,which is 300Mhz Boost override for the 4700Mhz In Ryzen Master.

    Max boost on 3600X/3700X is 4400Mhz + 200Mhz on override/enhanced for total of 4600Mhz for the chips.Highest I ever recorded on video for 3600X is 4525Mhz and Highest I screenshot was 4582Mhz but that was probably wrong reading.The newest BIOS I am using only can hit 4450Mhz ,still waiting for the magic BIOS to hit 4600Mhz.
     
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    No prob. Thank for trying. Thata cool option to have in bios. Sounds like PBO/OD/Auto OC works to a point on your board unlike others. My Asus Strix x470 has options up the ass but seem not to work at least for now. Waiting on the new ABBA bios to drop soon. Maybe then I can aleast have my 4425mhz back that was showing 3 bios rev. ago. For now stuck at 4350mhz max
     
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    AMD Could Release Next Generation EPYC CPUs with Four-Way SMT

    AMD has completed design phase of its "Zen 3" architecture and rumors are already appearing about its details.
    This time, Hardwareluxx has reported that AMD could bake a four-way simultaneous multithreading technology in its Zen 3 core to enable more performance and boost parallel processing power of its data center CPUs.
    Expected to arrive sometime in 2020, Zen 3 server CPUs, codenamed "MILAN", are expected to bring many architectural improvements and make use of TSMC's 7nm+ Extreme Ultra Violent lithography that brings as much as 20% increase in transistor density.

    Perhaps the biggest change we could see is the addition of four-way SMT that should allow a CPU to have four virtual threads per core that will improve parallel processing power and enable data center users to run more virtual machines than ever before.
    Four-way SMT will theoretically boost performance by dividing micro-ops into four smaller groups so that each thread could execute part of the operation, thus making the execution time much shorter.
    This being only one application of four-way SMT, we can expect AMD to leverage this feature in a way that is most practical and brings the best performance possible.AMD isn't the first to implement this kind of solution to its processors.

    IBM has been making CPUs based on POWER ISA for years now that feature four or even eight-way SMT and they are one of the key reasons why POWER CPUs are so powerful.
    Nonetheless, we can hope to see more details about Zen 3 core design decisions as we approach 2020 and launch of Milan CPUs.
     
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    If you're going to rip off TPU, at least add a link to their page.

    https://www.techpowerup.com/259505/amd-could-release-next-generation-epyc-cpus-with-four-way-smt
     
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