The AMD Ryzen All In One Tread /Overclocking/Memory Speeds & Timings/Tweaking/Cooling Part 2

Discussion in 'Processors and motherboards AMD' started by vbetts, Sep 24, 2018.

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    ive seen it all now :D
     
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    It's the future my friend lmao. Pretty sure I saw a video on RGB cable extensions from Lian Li (out of all companies).

    I am glad I am not epileptic :p
     
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    I e-mailed G.skill regarding compatibility but they said "sorry but we don't recommend the kit with your mobo unless MSI does a BIOS update" so not I've e-mailed MSI. I could just buy that kit in a month when it's available, try it, and if it doesn't work I can always return it.
     

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    For Ryzen 1 and 2, yes, I agree.
    This specifically for Ryzen 3000 series.

    In his very short tests, he seemed very excited that multiple ranks didn't seem to impact the memory speeds, it even seemed better, with large capacity dimms.
    As I said, he hasn't elaborated any more on it, but i'm sure he will get back to doing some tests soon ;)
     
  6. gerardfraser

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    Well they will only recommend kits that are on the list approved by MSI makes perfect sense to me.
    OK for crap and giggles.Do you ever do the Ryzen Dram calculator correctly for your ram in the first place.Export your XMP profile from Typhoon and import into Ryzen Calculator.

    Anyway here are all the support DDR4 3600Mhz memory kits for your motherboard 71 of them to be exact,check prices pick one and report back J/K lol. There are over 811 in total approved your choices are many grasshopper.

    Corsair CMK128GX4M8X3600C18 ver.4.31 2133MHz 3600MHz 3600 MHz Samsung 1.35v DUAL 16GB √ | √ |
    Corsair CMK64GX4M4B3600C18 ver4.31 2133MHz 3600MHz 3600 MHz Samsung 1.35v DUAL 16GB √ | √ |
    Corsair CMR128GX4M8X3600C18 ver4.31 2133MHz 3600MHz 3600 MHz Samsung 1.35v DUAL 16GB √ | √ |
    G.Skill F4-3600C17D-32GTZ 2133MHz 3600MHz 3600 MHz Samsung 5WB 1.35v DUAL 16GB √ | √ |
    G.Skill F4-3600C17D-32GTZKW 2133MHz 3600MHz 3600 MHz Samsung 5WB 1.35v DUAL 16GB √ | √ |
    G.Skill F4-3600C17D-32GTZR 2133MHz 3600MHz 3600 MHz Samsung 5WB 1.35v DUAL 16GB √ | √ |
    G.Skill F4-3600C17D-32GTZSW 2133MHz 3600MHz 3600 MHz Samsung 5WB 1.35v DUAL 16GB √ | √ |
    G.Skill F4-3600C17Q-64GTZ 2133MHz 3600MHz 3600 MHz Samsung 1.35v DUAL 16GB √ | √ |
    G.Skill F4-3600C17Q-64GTZKK 2133MHz 3600MHz 3600 MHz Samsung 5WB 1.35v DUAL 16GB √ | √ |
    G.Skill F4-3600C17Q-64GTZKW 2133MHz 3600MHz 3600 MHz Samsung 5WB 1.35v DUAL 16GB √ | √ |
    G.Skill F4-3600C17Q-64GTZR 2133MHz 3600MHz 3600 MHz Samsung 5WB 1.35v DUAL 16GB √ | √ |
    G.Skill F4-3600C17Q-64GTZSW 2133MHz 3600MHz 3600 MHz Samsung 5WB 1.35v DUAL 16GB √ | √ |
    G.Skill F4-3600C17Q2-128GTZKK 2133MHz 3600MHz 3600 MHz Samsung 5WB 1.35v DUAL 16GB √ | √ |
    G.Skill F4-3600C17Q2-128GTZR 2133MHz 3600MHz 3600 MHz Samsung 5WB 1.35v DUAL 16GB √ | √ |
    G.Skill F4-3600C17Q2-128GTZSW 2133MHz 3600MHz 3600 MHz Samsung 5WB 1.35v DUAL 16GB √ | √ |
    Corsair CMK16GX4M2B3600C18 ver4.31 2133MHz 3600MHz 3600 MHz Samsung 1.35v SINGLE 8GB √ | √ |
    Corsair CMK32GX4M4B3600C18 ver4.31 2133MHz 3600MHz 3600 MHz Samsung 1.35v SINGLE 8GB √ | √ | √
    Corsair CMK32GX4M4D3600C18 ver3.31 2133MHz 3600MHz 3600 MHz Spectek Z11B 1.35v SINGLE 8GB √ | √ | √
    Corsair CMR32GX4M4C3600C18 ver4.31 2133MHz 3600MHz 3600 MHz Samsung 1.35v SINGLE 8GB √ | √ |
    Corsair CMT16GX4M2C3600C18 ver4.31 2133MHz 3600MHz 3600 MHz Samsung 5WB 1.35v SINGLE 8GB √ | √ |
    Corsair CMW16GX4M2C3600C18 ver4.31 2133MHz 3600MHz 3600 MHz Samsung 5WB 1.35v SINGLE 8GB √ | √ |
    Corsair CMW16GX4M2C3600C18W ver4.31 2133MHz 3600MHz 3600 MHz Samsung 5WB 1.35v SINGLE 8GB √ | √ |
    Corsair CMW32GX4M4C3600C18 ver4.31 2133MHz 3600MHz 3600 MHz Samsung 5WB 1.35v SINGLE 8GB √ | √ |
    Corsair CMW32GX4M4C3600C18W ver4.31 2133MHz 3600MHz 3600 MHz Samsung 5WB 1.35v SINGLE 8GB √ | √ |
    Corsair CMW64GX4M8X3600C18 ver4.31 2133MHz 3600MHz 3600 MHz Samsung 5WB 1.35v SINGLE 8GB √ | √ |
    Corsair CMW64GX4M8X3600C18W ver4.31 2133MHz 3600MHz 3600 MHz Samsung 5WB 1.35v SINGLE 8GB √ | √ |
    G.Skill F4-3600C16D-16GTZ 2133MHz 3600MHz 3600 MHz Samsung 1.35v SINGLE 8GB √ | √ |
    G.Skill F4-3600C17D-16GSXW 2133MHz 3600MHz 3600 MHz Samsung 5WB 1.35v SINGLE 8GB √ | √ |
    G.Skill F4-3600C17D-16GTRG 2133MHz 3600MHz 3600 MHz Samsung 5WB 1.35v SINGLE 8GB √ | √ |
    G.Skill F4-3600C17D-16GTRS 2133MHz 3600MHz 3600 MHz Samsung 5WB 1.35v SINGLE 8GB √ | √ |
    G.Skill F4-3600C17D-16GTZKW 2133MHz 3600MHz 3600 MHz Samsung 5WB 1.35v SINGLE 8GB √ | √ |
    G.Skill F4-3600C17D-16GTZR 2133MHz 3600MHz 3600 MHz Samsung 5WB 1.35v SINGLE 8GB √ | √ |
    G.Skill F4-3600C17D-16GTZSW 2133MHz 3600MHz 3600 MHz Samsung 5WB 1.35v SINGLE 8GB √ | √ |
    G.Skill F4-3600C17Q-32GTZR 2133MHz 3600MHz 3600 MHz Samsung 1.35v SINGLE 8GB √ | √ |
    G.Skill F4-3600C17Q-32GVK 2133MHz 3600MHz 3600 MHz Samsung 1.35v SINGLE 8GB √ | √ | √
    G.Skill F4-3600C18D-16GTRG 2133MHz 3600MHz 3600 MHz SK hynix C 1.35v SINGLE 8GB √ | √ |
    G.Skill F4-3600C18D-16GTRS 2133MHz 3600MHz 3600 MHz SK hynix C 1.35v SINGLE 8GB √ | √ |
    G.Skill F4-3600C18D-16GTZRX 2133MHz 3600MHz 3600 MHz SK hynix C 1.35v SINGLE 8GB √ | √ |
    G.Skill F4-3600C19Q-32GSXW 2133MHz 3600MHz 3600 MHz SK hynix 1.35v SINGLE 8GB √ | √ | √
    Galax HOF4CJL4BST3600K17LD162CL 2133MHz 3600MHz 3600 MHz Samsung 5WB 1.35v SINGLE 8GB √ | √ | √
    HyperX HX436C17PB3/16 2400MHz 3600MHz 3600 MHz SK hynix C 1.35v DUAL 16GB √ | √ | √
    HyperX HX436C17PB3/16 2400MHz 3600MHz 3600 MHz Samsung 5WB 1.35v DUAL 16GB √ | √ |
    HyperX HX436C17PB3K2/32 2400MHz 3600MHz 3600 MHz Samsung 5WB 1.35v DUAL 16GB √ | √ |
    HyperX HX436C17PB3K2/32 2400MHz 3600MHz 3600 MHz SK hynix C 1.35v DUAL 16GB √ | √ | √
    HyperX HX436C17PB3K4/64 2400MHz 3600MHz 3600 MHz SK hynix C 1.35v DUAL 16GB √ | √ | √
    HyperX HX436C17PB3K4/64 2400MHz 3600MHz 3600 MHz Samsung 5WB 1.35v DUAL 16GB √ | √ |
    Apacer AHU08GGB36CJU5H(EK.16GA4.GGBK2) 2400MHz 3600MHz 3600 MHz Samsung 1.35v SINGLE 8GB √ | √ | √
    HyperX HX436C17PB3A/8 2400MHz 3600MHz 3600 MHz Samsung 5WB 1.35v SINGLE 8GB √ | √ | √
    HyperX HX436C17PB3AK2/16 2400MHz 3600MHz 3600 MHz Samsung 5WB 1.35V SINGLE 8GB √ | √ | √
    HyperX HX436C17PB3AK4/32 2400MHz 3600MHz 3600 MHz Samsung 5WB 1.35v SINGLE 8GB √ | √ | √
    HyperX HX436C17PB3K4/32 2400MHz 3600MHz 3600 MHz Samsung 1.35v SINGLE 8GB √ | √ | √
    HyperX HX436C17PB4/8 2400MHz 3600MHz 3600 MHz SK hynix C 1.35v SINGLE 8GB √ | √ | √
    HyperX HX436C17PB4A/8 2400MHz 3600MHz 3600 MHz SK hynix C 1.35v SINGLE 8GB √ | √ | √
    HyperX HX436C17PB4AK2/16 2400MHz 3600MHz 3600 MHz SK hynix C 1.35v SINGLE 8GB √ | √ | √
    HyperX HX436C17PB4AK4/32 2400MHz 3600MHz 3600 MHz SK hynix C 1.35v SINGLE 8GB √ | √ | √
    HyperX HX436C17PB4K2/16 2400MHz 3600MHz 3600 MHz SK hynix C 1.35v SINGLE 8GB √ | √ | √
    HyperX HX436C17PB4K4/32 2400MHz 3600MHz 3600 MHz SK hynix C 1.35v SINGLE 8GB √ | √ | √
    HyperX HX440C19PB3/8Profile2) 2400MHz 3600MHz 3600 MHz Samsung 5WB 1.35v SINGLE 8GB √ | √ | √
    HyperX HX440C19PB3A/8(Profile2) 2400MHz 3600MHz 3600 MHz Samsung 5WB 1.35v SINGLE 8GB √ | √ | √
    HyperX HX440C19PB3AK2/16(Profile2) 2400MHz 3600MHz 3600 MHz Samsung 5WB 1.35v SINGLE 8GB √ | √ | √
    HyperX HX440C19PB3K2/16(Profile2) 2400MHz 3600MHz 3600 MHz Samsung 5WB 1.35v SINGLE 8GB √ | √ | √
    Tigo KMKG8G3600C19 2400MHz 3600MHz 3600 MHz SK hynix C 1.35v SINGLE 8GB √ | √ | √
    Asgard VMA47UG-MEC1U2AJ1 2400MHz 3600MHz 3600 MHz Samsung 5WB 1.35v SINGLE 8GB √ | √ |
    Asgard VMA47UG-MEC1U2AW2 2400MHz 3600MHz 3600 MHz Spectek 1.35v SINGLE 8GB √ | √ |
    ADATA AX4U360038G17-BR80 2666MHz 3600MHz 3600 MHz Samsung 5WB 1.35v SINGLE 8GB √ | √ | √
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    Crucial BLE8G4D36BEEAK.M8FE1 2666MHz 3600MHz 3600 MHz Micron E 1.35v SINGLE 8GB √ | √ | √
    Thermaltake CL-W262-CA00SW-A 2666MHz 3600MHz 3600 MHz SK hynix CJR 1.35v SINGLE 8GB √ | √ |
    Corsair CMW16GX4M2Z3600C18 ver3.31 2666MHz 3600MHz 3600 MHz Spectek Z11B 1.35v SINGLE 8GB √ | √ |
    Thermaltake R009D408GX2-3600C18A Ver 1.1.2 2666MHz 3600MHz 3600 MHz SK hynix CJR 1.35v SINGLE 8GB √ | √ |
    V-Color TL48G36S8BNRGB18 2666MHz 3600MHz 3600 MHz SK hynix C 1.35v SINGLE 8GB √ | √ | √
     
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    I bought the G.Skill kit but unfortunately I had trouble enabling XMP and when I finally did get the system to boot it will restart itself instantly when I run Cinebench or play games. Sad cause the kit is unbeatable when you think price vs performance. There is no other 3600 CL16 kit out there really.
     
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    What kit is that ?
    I just setup a G Skill Z RGB F4360016D-16GTZ on a 3700X. Using stock timings : 16-16-16-16 with RAS 36 - RC 52 - RRDS 4 - RRD 9 - FAW 44 using 1.35v
    Which is what the XMP profile is according to Thaiphoon and it runs smooth. Sure it can be pushed a lot further but it works great out of the box.
    The Kit is using Samsung B-Die.
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    As a side note we also flashed the 0002+ bios on his C7H board. Damn the thing can boost now.
    I can't wait to get my 3900X. Boy oh boy.
     
  9. gerardfraser

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    OK your not understanding how the XMP works or I been trolled to epic levels ;).

    Your RAM G.Skill 16GB 3200MHz CL14 Trident Z will not work on XMP settings for your AMD CPU without some kind of problem.
    You need to tweak your settings for your ram to work properly and without errors.I gave you setting for excellent IC's on the memory.What you need to do is ,as I suggested in last post.

    In thaiphoon burner export your XMP profile with complete HTML Report and save delays in nanoseconds to desktop or somewhere you would remember.
    Then import the XMP complete HTML Report to DRAM Calculator for Ryzen

    Then in the DRAM Calculator for Ryzen pick the settings you want and try them,they are ment as a guide and if you have a couple of errors give more voltage.
    If games crash/stop/hitch/stutter then your RAM timings are incorrect and you need to set them properly.This is why the DRAM Calculator for Ryzen is perfect guide for someone/anyone out there.

    This is your RAM which has XMP 2.0 Support for Intel
    Programmed with the latest Intel XMP 2.0 profiles, the only thing between you and extreme performance is a simple setting.

    Also if you want 32GB ram ,pick out anyone I listed from the qualified vendors list for your motherboard and it will work CL16 3600Mhz.I am pretty confident there but anything is possible but at the very least it will work as advertised at minimum .

    Also Webhiker mentioned his RAM which there are hundreds that will work the same on your motherboard without problems ,especially on Ryzen 3 Chip.
     
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  10. Netherwind

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    It's this kit : F4-3600C16D-32GTZNC
    (https://www.gskill.com/product/165/...DDR4-3600MHz-CL16-19-19-39-1.35V32GB-(2x16GB))

    Wait a second man :) I think you are misunderstanding me.

    These are the RAM sticks I bought first : F4-3200C14D-16GTZRX. I could enable XMP in BIOS without changing or tweaking anything, it just worked every time. I could even OC them to 3600/CL14 according to your timings a while back (although it returned some errors in MEM test). But this was only 16GB and I wanted 32GB but since these RAM are so expensive (~220€ per 16GB) that would cost me 440€ to get 32GB, maybe because they were SR Samsung B-die.

    That's why I started to look at alternatives and finally got the F4-3600C16D-32GTZNC you recommended for ~260€. I popped them in and they booted at stock but when I enabled XMP I had problems booting but after a restart the computer booted. Problem now is that I cannot play games or put pressure on the CPU else my computer restarts itself. These are DR Hynix.

    I checked on another forum and I a guy there said the mobo sets XMP voltages way off (probably cause the sticks aren't compatible). So if I could tweak them, maybe that would help? Here is a screen shot of Ryzen Master.

    [​IMG]

    On a final note, availability for 3600MHz RAM in Sweden is fairly poor so finding two 16GB sticks is not very easy. Sure, I did find F4-3600C16D-16GTZR (G.Skill 3600/CL16 which also is Samsung B-die) but these are as expensive as my original memory. Then there is of course CMK16GX4M2Z3600C18 which is Corsair 3600MHz/CL18 but they are worse than the ones I've already bought.
     
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    @Netherwind

    No matter what board you are using, you should try manually inserting the timings into the BIOS.
    It often yields better results than using the XMP profile. Don't ask me why.
     
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    Well, if you ask me it feels strange that there is this XMP feature that comes with every kit but cannot be used. The reason why I'm surprised is that I've used XMP on a Z170 mobo and now my old kit on this mobo which worked fine, but on the other hand both were supported in QVL and this new kit isn't.
     
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    As gerardfraser said : The XMP 2.0 profile is for Intel, so that might be why.
    In my 2700X rig I'm using Flare-x ram but with manually keyed in timings, since the XMP profile simply doesn't work.
     
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    Sorry, let me be more precise - The Neo C version has an D.O.C.P / A-XMP profiles and is specifically tailored for the AMD platform.

    https://www.gskill.com/product/165/...DDR4-3600MHz-CL16-19-19-39-1.35V32GB-(2x16GB)
     
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    LOL OK I am done with confusion now,you straightened me out.I missed that you actually bought that Ram,My fault. On your new ram please try this below.(F4-3600C16D-32GTZNC)

    In thaiphoon burner export your XMP profile with complete HTML Report and save delays in nanoseconds to desktop or somewhere you would remember.
    Then import the XMP complete HTML Report to DRAM Calculator for Ryzen

    Then in the DRAM Calculator for Ryzen pick the settings you want and try them,they are meant as a guide and if you have a couple of errors give more voltage.
    If games crash/stop/hitch/stutter then your RAM timings are incorrect and you need to set them properly.This is why the DRAM Calculator for Ryzen is perfect guide for someone/anyone out there.
     

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    I know the Neo C is designed for the X570 and AMD 3000 platform. But since it doesn't work why not try other options.
    According to your profile you have an X470 board, right ?
     
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    Actually I got help on another forum and they found the reason why my RAM was so unstable - the voltages, specifically VDDP and VDDG were way too high, 1,10v and 1,15v respectively (should be 0,9v/0,95v), also SoC was too low. Then we did tweaks to Gear Down Mode, Command Rate and ProcODT and now it works perfectly fine. It has passed both Cinebench and CPU-Z bench and I'll play some games this weekends to look for BSODs. General performance is higher now than with my old memory so that's nice as well :)

    I might check DRAM Calculator anyway though.

    Yes you are right, that's why it was a bit of a risk but as stated above, it seemed to have turned out well after some tinkering with voltages and timings. There is probably a little bit more to tweak but at least my system doesn't seem to restart itself any more. Hopefully official memory support will be added with a new BIOS version later down the line. I've sent my data to MSI so maybe that will help them.
     
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  19. gerardfraser

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    That is great,nice to read.happy gaming.
     
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    Some knowledge to absorb :p

     

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