The AMD Ryzen All In One Tread /Overclocking/Memory Speeds & Timings/Tweaking/Cooling Part 2

Discussion in 'Processors and motherboards AMD' started by vbetts, Sep 24, 2018.

  1. Fox2232

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    Those CPU use chiplets. Maybe given cooler does not provide good heatpipe coverage on CPU chiplet. Sadly, mount does not look like it can be rotated by 90 degrees as that looks like it could provide larger coverage with 2 heatpipes.
     
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    Now that these new CPUs have been out, does RTC still work or is it dead in the water; good while it lasted type of thing? Going to finally setup the new hardware and just curious.
     
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    Thanks DW75. The STRIX board is the one I bought to move off the C6H. Was waiting for that bios.
     
  4. primetime^

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    those new bios are just designed to work hand and hand with win10 is all.......win 7 doesn't have the working fixes they already added for 10 (for the new amd cpus)
     
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    I'm gonna copy-paste my post from another thread here as well, in case anyone can help and also as a "warning" for anyone with ASRock 300 series board considering a Zen 2 switch:

    Well 3800X is up and running. Inital results are... not good.

    The CPU is fine (I hope) but dear is the ASRock BIOS crap! I simply cannot POST with memory on anything other than bog standard 2133.
    For reference these modules worked out-of-the-box with XMP on my first gen Ryzen so quite a downgrade there.

    Tried setting memory speed manually, both from OC Tweaker setting and the new AMD Overclocking area under Advanced (contains all the new stuff like PBO it seems).
    Tried setting Infinity Fabric speed manually / separately, didn't help. Also now SOC voltage must be set from Advanced, the OC Tweaker setting does nothing anymore it seems... etc.

    The system has crashed at least 5 times trying to go past POST (when Windows should start loading). Could be me going in and out of BIOS all the time though I suppose.

    I haven't even tried a single benchmark or game as this seems to be a struggle. I really hope ASRock get their sh*t together and release a better / newer AGESA BIOS.

    On the positive side multiple cores boost to 4.5+ GHz on the desktop! Lols...

    EDIT: latest BIOS with AGESA 1003ABB solved these issues (for me at least)
     
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  6. gerardfraser

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    I wish for you ASRock get's up to speed.Good luck
    Damm it does seem X570 boards some people have problems on all boards.I can understand some problems with certain 300 series boards not to the extent you described.400 series seems to have less problems.

    I can say for sure my X470 MSI board has been fantastic and without any problems(what was that noise BOOM!)crap just blew up,that should teach me a lesson.J/K.
     

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    Just wanted to say that my X570 Aorus Xtreme and 3900X build went off without a hitch! The only snag was that I had made the mistake of going RGB and those extra cables and where to connect them proved to be......frustrating at best.

    It booted up from the get go and 64bit Win10 Pro installed without any issue. Managed to update to the latest BIOS from the GB website. The temp spikes drove me bonkers but have been told it was quite normal. I did run Metro Last Light Redux benchmark 6 times just to see temps maxed out at about 71C. I will run a longer loop, 12 times, to see if the temps hold at around 71C.

    My only outstanding issue is that my 4x 8GB XPG Spectrix D60G DDR4 3200 RAM shows up as 2666Mhz, I can't seem to change it even after updating to the latest BIOS. This isn't a major concern for me now as I am checking for system stability first, when that has been sorted out, I'll look into this RAM issue.
     
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  9. bballfreak6

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    Now that I have had my 3700X and Asus X570-E Gaming for about a week I can pretty safely say it's running extremely well. No crashes or apparent issues of note so far (knock on wood). Ram running per XMP spec. Tested a software I use for astrophotography and was happy to see just about all threads being taken advantage of and ram usage over 15GB (very glad I did end up going with 32GB in the end) and the integration process felt like it took half the time it did on my old 4770K.

    One thing I did notice that I thought was interesting. I have the latest chipset driver installed (but not the latest AGESA, waiting for Asus to bloody update the bios) and with Corsair iCue running even AMD Power Saver plan my voltage still stays above 1.4V most of the time. Only time it will drop (to 0.9 idle) was in Windows' own power saver plan. With iCue closed even in AMD Balanced plan it will drop to 1-1.1V idle however so I know iCue has a lot to do with it. What's more interesting though is that under high load I actually find my voltage goes down to about 1.36V with iCue running in the background and in AMD Balanced plan and then goes back up to +1.4V when idling. Not sure why the behaviour and well see if the new AGESA changes anything when it gets released for my board.
     
  10. AsiJu

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    Thanks, well at least browsing ASRock forum topic on Ryzen 3000 support seems those are common issues and most likely caused by early AGESA version.

    Community rep there assured updates are coming, ASRock takes their time on purpose, which is fine if true. Also I understand no point in releasing say 1002 AGESA based versions anymore, even if they'd have them tested.

    Must play the waiting game I suppose. I'm just a bit hesitant on even using the system, I've never had a BIOS this unreliable...
     
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    I'd like to share my story regarding the 3800X.

    I bought the following stuff:
    AMD 3800X
    MSI X470 Gaming Pro Carbon
    G.Skill 16GB 3200MHz CL14 Trident Z
    Corsair H100i Platinum SE
    A bunch of Corsair LL120 fans
    Intel 1TB M.2
    Lian-Li O-11 Dynamic

    First thing I did was to get my board flashed at my retailer since I didn't have an older Ryzen, it took them 15min while I waited, great service! Building the whole computer was a mess though and took forever. First I tried the included Wraith Spire cooler since I thought my H110i was broken (the screws seemed too long and looked like they would penetrate the fins, which they apparently are supposed to do...ish after having googled for 30 minutes). The computer booted on first try and I could use the XMP profile on my memory without any problems. Installing Win10 was a breeze like always and I also got the latest chipset drivers. I installed three LL120 fans on the side of the case (as instructed by Gamers Nexus).

    Unfortunately temps were really bad, especially on the CPU side since the Wraith was breathing most of the hot air from the GPU back plate so temps around 85 degrees and max RPM was common in games like Anthem. Idle temps were also not too great with the cooler revving up and down. GPU heat was also a huge issue.

    Later I got a new H110i and installed it but in that process I was very unlucky and got some paste on two of the CPU pins and also on the CPU socket. Trust me when I say that I felt like life was really unfair at that point but I tried cleaning the best I could, installed the H110i and it luckily worked like a charm. Later I also moved the fans to the bottom of the case which helped with temps tremendously. I also got a beta BIOS from MSI (unknown which AGESA) and new chipset drivers were released which helped a great deal with the idle temps.

    I'd say that things are running fairly smoothly now and I'm very happy about game performance compared to my old 6700K. The biggest increases are in AC:Odyssey which play completely smooth at 4K/60fps even in Athens. Anthem also took a huge step forward with a 15fps boost in the city and while roaming with no CPU spikes like I had before. SotTR also plays better but still not perfect since there are some weird stutters in DX12 which aren't present in DX11. (Unfortunately DX11 plays like crap so DX12 is very necessary). This improvement is noticeable in the big city.

    My main issues now are the following:
    ¤ High idle voltages, my idle voltage is 1,488v atm but the chip is cool in Windows (~38-45 degrees depending on AIO RPM)
    ¤ Mystic Light not working as well as I hoped, for one it's considered malicious software by AntiCheat which a lot of games use, TD2 for example
    ¤ Still would like to have the GPU even cooler and preferably an even quieter case but I guess that's not possible

    I'd also like to OC my RAM to 3600MHz CL14 but I have no idea how to do that. I would also like to try PBO or even OC manually but I don't know how to do that either. There are too many parameters to understand, Intel is way better there since it's only CPU ratio increase and some Vcore tweaking and that's it.
     

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    Idle voltage at 1.488v means nothing. The voltage under load is what matters.
    All the Ryzen chips I have owned 1800X, 2700X (and still waiting for it to arrive 3900X) have run 1.4xx to 1.5v idle voltage.
    AMD have stated numerous times, that the CPU will NEVER request too much voltage, since it have safety features built in.
    But you can always try to run with a negative voltage offset. Start with -0.03750v and go from there.
    If the - offset is set to high the system will start to reboot at random. While watching a YouTube video or something like that.
    Then you need to lower the offset.
     
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    My mistake that I did not look more into the post that was posted.I have no desire in trying to install Windows 7 at all.I thought I try to do a quick google and see if something reasonable was out there,just so happens I hit your post which was not led back to the forums here.Tried to help sorry about that.

    That is great that you are able to play the waiting game and at least they are aware and working on the problem.
    Like I mentioned I could see some problems on 300 series but not to the point where someone would not feel comfortable in using the system at all.Always great to have a backup.
    Stay positive but it is sure a hell of a long time not to be fixed to a reasonable expected usable level by now.
     
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  14. gerardfraser

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    I can help you with some stuff since I have MSI Motherboard.

    Suggest install for BIOS options
    AMD ComboPI1.0.0.3ab(7B78v29)
    amd_chipset_drivers_v1.07.29.0115
    AMD Ryzen™ Balanced Power Plan

    ¤ High idle voltages, my idle voltage is 1,488v atm but the chip is cool in Windows (~38-45 degrees depending on AIO RPM)

    To control voltage a little better there are ways to accomplish this.Thing is do not worry about the numbers on CPU Clock for now that can be adjusted.You game some so CPU clock from 4250Mhz to 4600Mhz not much difference at all.Anyway enough with the crap ,lets start.

    Set reasonable CPU Clock and Voltage in BIOS along with Silent settings for AIO to have great Temperatures at desktop gaming ETC.
    This EG: 4300Mhz @ 1.325v


    ¤ I'd also like to OC my RAM to 3600MHz CL14 ,here is how to set and numbers

    Results Cores get sleepy and still snappy feel. Temperatures are lower on desktop
    https://i.**********/MHqkCp2d/Desktop-Screenshot-2019-08-05-11-52-02-22.png
     
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    Thanks a lot for taking your time to write that post. I'll try these things this evening after work.

    One thing about idle voltages, I've found the reason for it and it's Corsair iCUE. When that software is enabled my idle voltages never drop but as soon as I close iCUE they drop after a few seconds. Voltages then range between 1,2v down to 0,4v idle. Also my Geekbench score was 200pts higher single core when I reset my power plans. I've also uninstalled everything AMD related for now and will reinstall it this evening.

    Then I'll try the memory OC (which I think is important).

    By the way, have you tried CCX OC? First cluster to 4,5 and the other one to 4,4 or something similar?
     
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    Yea I posted about that on the last page regarding iCue. It drops a little if in Ryzen Power Saver plan and does drop all the way down to 0.9 idle on Window's own Power Saver plan. Hopefully Corsair will work with AMD to get this sorted as they are few posts about it as well on Corsair forums and reddit posts. Another interesting observation as per my last post voltage stabillises around 1.36 during load yet weirdly goes up to 1.46-7 during idle, very peculiar.
     
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    I've e-mailed their support and asked that they update their current version with a new version where you can completely disable hardware monitoring since that would solve the issue.
     
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