The AMD Ryzen All In One Tread /Overclocking/Memory Speeds & Timings/Tweaking/Cooling Part 2

Discussion in 'Processors and motherboards AMD' started by vbetts, Sep 24, 2018.

  1. JonasBeckman

    JonasBeckman Ancient Guru

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    The bios options and layouts can be a pain to find, usually the manual has some overview of what's where.
    The basics are fairly good for the Gigabyte board I'm using but the new options added later on were thrown into a number of submenus elsewhere so yeah there goes that layout. :p

    Recommended would be to find the latest stable bios and update to that too but since you're on a 5800X it'd have to be 1.1.0.0 or later which should be solid until the next version finalizes with 1.1.9.0 for I think AMD planned for February for that. :)
    (Some early beta bios already available for testing from some of their partners.)

    GPU otherwise works pretty similar where any activity causes a short burst of voltage and higher clock speeds until that's resolved and then for the Balanced profile (AMD Balanced for the 3000 series.) it'll go back to sleep again but any one task and the CPU wakes.

    Running background software like iCUE and other software can prevent the CPU from ever idling or sleeping but then you also only need to move the mouse cursor for it to wake so in general I see it hovering around 4.0 to 4.2 Ghz for my own 3900X CPU.
    (Single CCX and optimal core boosting high and finishing it's task and then again as needed which is usually always something.)

    Workload is pretty low so the temps aren't too bad it does push a bit more power though and the high burst voltage here.
    PBO2 with curve optimization could be one way to work with AMD's algorithm there's also Eco mode where you drop the CPU's clocks and overall total power draw to a lower level although with the better boost functionality and performance for the Zen3 CPU's you do lose a bit more compared to Zen2 since these can hit close to 5 Ghz during light core utilization and having the favored core and optimum CCX (Core complex) handle tasks. :)
     
  2. JonasBeckman

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    ASUS seems to call theirs DOCP

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    I like advanced mode more myself so then that might change where these are located but you'll have access to all settings and less of a fav selection for the easy mode. :D

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    Might want to be careful with the 3202 latest bios as well if you're using that.
    https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/ktccfq/new_uefi_bios_updates_for_asus_amd_motherboards/

    For the Zen3 CPU's you might otherwise face random reboots or system shutdowns I'm not entirely sure as to what's going on I think the pulled 3201(?) bios was due to a non-functional 3300 CPU when using that beta.

    But stuff like the infinity fabric and how this affects voltages, SOC and some others it can be bad if these go too high some boards can handle it others well you'll have PCI errors which can even damage or corrupt the NVME plus the GPU possibly not loading or hitting errors.

    Background Windows hardware logger errors indicating memory instability can also happen it's a lesser tier but still indicates some problem or instability.

    Overall 1.1.0.0 Patch D is stable enough but not perfect for Zen3 and there's ongoing issues with memory compatibility and things like the USB ports 1.1.9.0 should be better replacing the 1.1.8.0 earlier beta but it's still in testing. :)
    Should be a solid upgrade for the AGESA and ABL (AMD/AGESA Boot Loader) and that code but still a WIP and to be treated as such.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/k8mtes/pcie_gen_4_causes_usb_problems_on_b550x570/
    (Stuff about that USB issue and Gen4 PCI-E compatibility.)


    This includes using stock settings as well not just the high XMP profiles for 3600 to 3800 DDR4 kits and tuning low timings with higher infinity fabric speeds at or over 1800 just to be clear about that.
     
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  3. Passus

    Passus Ancient Guru

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    My 3700x drops down to 1.7 when having both global c-states and df states on strix x570-f

    i also use a negative offset of 0.0500v
     
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  4. TheDeeGee

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    Seems my board refuses to use the XMP timings, it keeps using C18 instead of C17.
     

  5. Undying

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    Did the docp worked at 3200? Try setting timings manually if nothing works.
     
  6. Kool64

    Kool64 Maha Guru

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    Ryzen doesn’t like odd number CAS
     
  7. Passus

    Passus Ancient Guru

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    True

    my cl 16-16-16-36 wont allow 15-15-15-30 but will allow 16-15-15-30 or 16-14 ect
     
  8. TheDeeGee

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    Don't have 3200 as profile.

    3600 17-21-21-39 or 3000 15-17-17-XX.

    Could probably try 3200 16-19-19-36 or something.

    Probably not worth the trouble for so little FPS.

    I can't complain so far, i'm getting 50-55C during gaming, while my old 4770K reached up to 70C with the same cooler.
     
  9. Passus

    Passus Ancient Guru

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    Shame

    I just installed the 3202 bios and the random restarts are back

    event viewer says kernel power

    I had this before on another bios, 3201 is fine and dandy

    @TheDeeGee try 16-16-16-36 or 30
    leave voltage at 1.35
     
  10. Undying

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    Worth a try its a nice balance between 3000-3600. Im also using 3200 cl16 but my 2700x cant go higher due imc on zen+ not being so good. Anyway im glad you are happy just make sure you config memory correct with nice performance and stability. :)
     

  11. TheDeeGee

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    Yeah, cuz i doubt it's stable. I ran AIDA64 and at some point it blue screened.

    On 3600 17-21-21 that is, which is the actual speed the kit is sold at.

    The kit i have is HyperX Fury Black HX436C17FB3K4/32.

    I think i'll give 3200 16-18-18 a try, from their HX432C16FB3K4/32 kit.
     
  12. Undying

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    Up the soc voltage to 1.150 and ram to 1.4v if needed it will help. I dont think you'll notice any difference in performance between the two kits.
     
  13. Clouseau

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    Do not remember the exact ram speed but after a certain point AMD does not like odd CAS timings. They have to be set manually with geardown off I believe.
     
  14. TheDeeGee

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    The one thing i'm not happy about is the very aggressive ramping up and down of my CPU cooler (NH-D15.

    I already adjusted the step up and step down times, but this doesn't seem to work on my ROG Strix B550-E Gaming.
     
  15. JonasBeckman

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    Yeah the Smart Fan 5 thing on the Gigabyte board isn't perfect either, PCH fan in particular is also rough because it lacks finer customization entirely although in a sufficiently cooled environment the silent setting means it's at zero almost constantly as the chipset temperature is a bit higher for it to start up minimizing a bit of noise from that. :)

    S-Fan 5 lacks a good minimum speed it's 0 and then up to the next stepping and you do want a good ramp or curve here because the CPU is fairly sensitive to heat before it throttles so there's going to be a bit of a jump from idle to active and then the rest can be dialed in to somewhat better minimize this.

    Few different options but overall not the easiest to customize if you want a more fine adjustment for how it scales up and it takes some testing.
    Also if you let it ramp up that little PCH / Chipset fan it gets really loud.


    Mentioning that just in case, as a example in fact before I set it up I thought the CPU fan was being noisier than expected from how that had been configured but no it was the chipset fan ramping up.
     
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  16. TheDeeGee

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    Seems the Step Up/Down function has been broken of years.

    Also all USB 2.0 ports on the back seems to cut out randomly, which has been bugged for 5 months now.

    Maybe i'll just send the board back as broken and go with MSI.

    Should have done some more research.
     
  17. SplashDown

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    MMMMM.... my 2700X and samsung B Flare X kit . 3200 CL14 @ default but I have it running now @ 3466 CL15 and knocked my memory latency to 60ns it was 65 with the 3200 set. and of course speed went up too.... But no problem with the 15 setting 15-15-15-35-54. I'm also keeping my voltage low on purpose so I don't have to worry about my ram getting to hot. Ram set @ 1.36 right now.
     
  18. KissSh0t

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    What settings are you using?

    I was having the same issue and after messing around for quite a while and now using it properly for a few hours today I haven't noticed it audibly speeding up and down like crazy with these settings, guessing your board will have similar features to mine so hopefully you will be able to try this, my board is the TUF Gaming B550 Plus Wi-Fi and the fan being controlled by cpu is a Corsair Air Series SP120 which is a pwm fan like the one on your noctua so hopefully you will be able to select similar settings :x

    Step Up - 25 Seconds
    Step Down - 25 Seconds

    Cpu Upper Temperature - 70
    Cpu Max Duty Cycle - 90

    Cpu Middle Temperature - 50
    Cpu Middle Duty Cycle - 50

    Cpu Lower Temperature - 40
    Cpu Min Duty Cycle - 40


    Give that a try, see if that does anything *fingers crossed*

    For max duty I could be using 100 but just for now I feel 90 is enough for when it's playing a video game, oh and this is on a watercooler.

    negative offset means undervolting right? Is 0.0500v a safe voltage to try?

    I was curious about this but was unsure what is safe.
     
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  19. Passus

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    Yeah mate i think most boards default with too high voltage, mine can hit 1.5v albeit for about a millisecond
     
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  20. OnnA

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    Use RyZen calculator:

    Try 3600 at 16/17/17/16 32/44 6/8 @ 1.42v
    ProcODT 53
    CAD_Bus (Top to bottom) -> 24/20/24/24

    Rest at Auto -> Then dial things up more.
     

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