The 5700xt and 2070s are more similiar then at 1st glance

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  1. Eastcoasthandle

    Eastcoasthandle Ancient Guru

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    With new games 5700xt is faster (or on par) with a 2070s



    Newest PC title is Star Wars Squadrons. As you can see the 5700xt yet again beats the 2070s in these new titles. Lets remember 5700xt was barely keeping up with a 2070 at one point.

    So if a 40 CU 5700xt can compete with a newly released 2070s (which is a post release sku to compete against Navi) then an 80CU sku should be an exceptional part. This proves, to me that AMD and Nvidia somehow know what each other is about to release before the public does. But I digress.

    However, do to RDNA 1 being a new Uarch it took AMD time to get the drivers up to par to show, recently, that it's a true 2070s competitor. Which is why Nvidia replaced the 2070 with a 2070s. Nvidia spec'd the 2070s more in line with the 5700xt.

    All this time I've not read any information about the similarities of these 2 competitors. And it would seem that the only reason why, so far, that 5700xt didn't win more titles is that the drivers are not optimized for older games.
     
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    AMD has their Fine Wine driver technology where Nvidia gives Nitro boost from the get go... I am sure with 3 months of optimizations post launch, AMD will catch up in major games.

    The 5700XT is a great GPU and lets hope AMD will deliver the same or better with the 6xxx series.
     
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    Eastcoasthandle Ancient Guru

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    The results appear to be consistent when it comes to new titles. At 1440p the 5700xt does edge out the 2070s.
     
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    Squadrons is apparently Shader heavy game, that's why Radeon VII does so good. In most titles it is about equal to RX 5700 XT.
     

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    Almost got a 5700XT over a 2070s but I decided to get the 2070s for the RT cores.
     
  6. Eastcoasthandle

    Eastcoasthandle Ancient Guru

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    It's amazing isn't it.
    If only AMD shown this a few months ago...Or better yet promoted their hardware to be better on newer titles...
     
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    Maddness Maha Guru

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    If they had this performance out of the gate, it makes them an even more attractive proposition.
     
  8. Eastcoasthandle

    Eastcoasthandle Ancient Guru

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    One of the main issues was that those games weren't out yet.
    Death Stranding
    Formula 1
    Herizon Dawn Zero
    Star Wars Squadrons
    Were all still in development after the 5700 series was released. IMO, it looks like the driver team is optimizing newer games vs older, past release games.
     
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    2070 isnt really capable doing raytracing so you might just as well bought a 5700xt.
     
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    The one major advantage of 2070 opposite to 5700xt is the ability to use DLSS.
     
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    Thats true. I would get 2070 just for the Control which i liked maybe Metro also but games a scarse. It costs 100$ more than 5700xt but i guess you get what you payed for.
     
  13. Eastcoasthandle

    Eastcoasthandle Ancient Guru

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    Pretty much this.
    DLSS games are far and few when it comes the games one would wants to play. And there is only so many times you 'replay' a game with it.

    To me it comes of as a bit of a crutch. If a 2070/s, for example, can't run games smooth without it at decent resolution something is wrong.

    I can't imagine it's a valid reason to only play DLSS games because it's DLSS and not because it's something you want to play. In order to get smooth game play.

    Which is why I posted those results of the 5700xt beating/tie 2070s in the OP. Without the capability of DLSS the 5700xt has shown remarkable improvement in newer titles thus far.
     
  14. wavetrex

    wavetrex Maha Guru

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    Imagine FineWine™ on 6000 series one or two years later, when they are already beating (or almost beating) RTX3000 at launch ... :rolleyes:

    If my GTX 1080 had broken before and I had no choice but to buy a new GPU before these autumn/winter launches, I would have gotten 5700XT for sure !
    Already had some models saved in my Amazon wishlist.... just in case.
     
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