Ugh tried radeonpro, it has problems of its own. doesnt work without priveledges and when i enable it radeonpro says it shouldnt be set that way. how backwards is that?. and requires sweetFX 1.4. and on top of that it has conflicts with other OSD i had Afterburner/Rivatuner. it wouldnt work even if radeonpros own OSD is disabled the settings are different and i like the default settings on sweetFX 1.5.1. ultimately its too much trouble. i really appreciate the help guys but i hope sweetFX will have support for games that run on DX9E.