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Supermicro along with Apple and Amazon refute claims in Bloomberg story

Discussion in 'Frontpage news' started by Hilbert Hagedoorn, Oct 5, 2018.

  1. Hilbert Hagedoorn

    Hilbert Hagedoorn Don Vito Corleone Staff Member

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    vbetts Don Vincenzo Staff Member

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    So basically it seems like the equivalent to clickbait for Bloomberg.
     
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    JamesSneed Master Guru

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    I would expect a lawsuit to be imminent as Super MIcro has a very good case for damages. Amazon just handed the case to them by saying we told Bloomberg reporters for months that this server espionage was not the case.
     
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    HawaiianBrian Master Guru

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    Bloomberg = Fake news. I don't like Trump but he's right about the whole "fake news" thing in the media.
     

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    austin865a Master Guru

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    I knew that chip could not do what it was being claimed to do. But the bigger question now is, are apple and Amazon lieing to cover something up?
    If Super Micro sues and wins its likely that apple and amazon are telling the truth. That or Bloomberg hired a team of Perry Mason clones. They have a good case there stock drop by about 50% since the story broke out. Bloomberg was told the info was wrong too.
    Anyway now is the time to buy Super Micro stock if this is a fake story.
     
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    Not just for Bloomberg :D...This is a totally recycled story we've got here. The original story clearly said 'Amazon, Apple, and Supermicro disputed summaries of Bloomberg Businessweek’s reporting.'

    I'm not so sure about that. This sounds feasible to me. One chip can do a lot.

    Nothing new here yet. We still know nothing for sure.
    Right now we've allegedly got anonymous 17 sources confirming various parts of this story.
    My faith in 'anonymous sources' = 0.
    We've got no sample, or even picture, of the hardware in question.
    The FBI's refusal to comment, and denials of knowledge by all of the parties involved would be normal for a 'secret FBI investigation'.
     
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    austin865a Master Guru

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    It had no ware enough traces to do what it calmed to do and super micro sells too many servers for no one to come forward with info.
     
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    This is the danger. Taking one story like this and painting all of media with it. So, no he's isn't especially since what he's claiming is 'fake news' are factual articles about him. So lets be careful in how we describe things.
    Back on topic.
    This story smelled from the beginning to me simply from the lack of even one physical device being uncovered. Not a one.
     
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    tunejunky Master Guru

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    actually, in cases like these, the chance of Bloomberg (or the traditional media) being "fake" with allegations like these is zero.

    why zero? because every printed story naming names and companies have been triple verified to avoid libel.

    Bloomberg is first and foremost a business media outlet.

    the fact that we've heard from corporate public relations means nothing. if these allegations were false the lawyers would be talking, not P.R. hacks.
     
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    WareTernal Master Guru

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    Next time, "let's be careful" and stay on topic in the first place...

    There's just no logic to back that up. If by "every printed story naming names", you mean the one Bloomberg story that we're talking about, the one that didn't name any names, and you just going on the authors word that everything is super verified and double fact checked with a blue star, then you just missed the point.

    The strength of your opinion doesn't ~= fact.
     

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    That's correct. With few wires, there is only feasible vector of attack. That's flash memory for BIOS or other part. There just 3 additional wires from GND and Vcc are needed.
    But their description is so vague that this simple to describe attack vector is very likely out of question.
     
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    Have to say, that if these claims would be so wrong there would be Cease and Desist Order issued already for Bloomberg. Only PR responding and denying it gives it some actual legitimacy. After all someone making false claims about you is enough ground for a lawsuit. Since that has not happened...
     
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    When was the last time you heard of Cease and Desist Order pulled over fake news? Ever...?


    Lawsuit over what?
    Reporting that "according to extensive interviews with government and corporate sources [...]" and quoting people "one official says [...]" is hardly illegal.
     
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    WRONG
    they named the companies, who are able to sue for false claims, market interference, and a chilling effect.

    and i'm not going on ANYBODY's WORD.
    you are obviously unacquainted with business at the corporate level. "Bloomberg" is not just highly regarded, It Has Professional Standards that lead its industry.

    i stand by every word i posted.

    until the lawyers for Amazon, SuperMicro, and Apple speak i stand with Bloomberg.

    and obtw, it is simplicity itself (not counting the actual device) for the Chinese to plant bugs in specific batches of mobo's.
    they're in China, with Chinese workers, working for a Chinese company that is beholden to its repressive government.

    i've spent the first 10 years of my career riding herd on Dual Use electronics (because of Cold War export controls) and i can testify factually on the pervasive attempts to buy, steal, copy, or borrow technology by the Russians and Chinese. it never stops...ever.
     
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    Your no lawyer/attorney are you? If they are reporting what other have told them and if it was taken in good faith they could get off Scot free if the report is worded right. You can't be held libel because you report that X said Y. X would be held libel and not he reporter.
     

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    not just the lack of evidence of it, i asked a pcb engineer and she said the particular placement of the chip would make it impossible to tell actual data from electronic noise.
     
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    Amazon's response wasn't from a "PR hack".... It was from the Chief Information Security Officer at AWS...

    Bloomberg claims that affected systems were sold to specific customers. The issue here is that the manufacturing plant in China would not know exactly what customers would get what boards, making it impossible to target specific companies. The manufacturing plant would also have to modify intended circuits and add a lot of new circuits to account for the functionality of these "smaller than a grain of rice" chips. When did China develop the technology to create such a small chip and all the traces necessary to pull off such a feat? The necessary traces alone would make the chip larger than a grain of rice.
     
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    you are forgetting that this is a state actor.
    SuperMicro may or may not know where the shipments are bound, but China can easily manipulate that with export controls.
    also, passive sensor technology has been progressing by leaps and bounds. who knows what the State Labs in China (or here) produce?
    the U.S., back when only the U.S. and Japan made computer components, had back-doors into just about every hdd and a lot of the early networks. some of which were hardware, not software. i know this for a fact as i worked for the premier manufacturer of optical drives and optical technology and we had to operate under certain controls...and these were ROM.
    every early laptop was essentially "bugged" until Chinese manufacturing came online.
    this is not paranoia, it's fact of record so i'm very cynical.
     
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