Successor to Intel LGA 1200 will be LGA 1700, another processor socket for Desktop CPUs

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  1. Hilbert Hagedoorn

    Hilbert Hagedoorn Don Vito Corleone Staff Member

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  2. nevcairiel

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    A lot of new pins, I hope they also increase the 16 PCIe lane business. At least 20 like AMD has would be nice, since PCIe SSDs are ubiquitous now, 24 would be even better.
     
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    1200 → 1700, quote the jump. I wonder what happened to the other 500 in between?
     
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    Not just yet another new socket, but a yet another new socket with much pins!
     
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    Used for hardware mitigations?
     
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    Intel customers are used to needing to buy a new motherboard. The socket can be 100% identical or significantly different, it doesn't matter, Intel will require a new motherboard on principle.
     
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    nizzen Maha Guru

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    Why do you think "intel customers" buy new cpu and MB every year?

    Most "Intel customers" had they're cpu's for years, because it was good enough. :)

    The best buy atm is Ryzen 3600 by far prize/performance. Gaming performance of this cpu is many years old. So if you have a "old" Intel cpu, there is no need to upgrade just yet for gaming only.

    2019- the year everyone became professional videoeditors, just to find a reason to buy 12/16core Ryzen. Including me :D
     
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    And this is why the last time i bought an Intel cpu was when i could upgrade my sandy bridge 2500k to an ivy bridge 3770k. ive now had a r51600 and a r52600 and i plan on going to a 3600 if the 4600 isn't socket compatible but it looks like it might be, That's 4 series on 1 motherboard so potentially 3 wasted motherboards had i gone Intel.
     
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  10. Shakey_Jake33

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    Was really hoping that Intel would learn from AMD's success here. The main reason I moved from Intel to AMD this year was the forward compatibility of the AM4 socket. After being stuck on Haswell for years with no upgrade path, it was the fact that I could upgrade from my new Ryzen 7 2700 to a 3000 or even 4000 CPU without needing a new motherboard and RAM which convinced me to move over - this is my first AMD CPU since Athlon 64.

    If there's a technical reason to change the socket, then fine. But otherwise, AMD are only going to benefit from these cynical practices.
     
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    tr4 last only a year basically, even they promise long-term support for strx4 which i put my money into it
    AM4 -> basically is on end-of-life cycle this year (last around 4year)

    intel keep changing socket for each release is dumb
    but to be fair ... except people that keep upgrading to latest hardware
    those cpu should last the cycle of any socket, considering most people upgrading like every 3~5years, no?
    in addition compatibility wont be perfect anyway, well AM4 platform tell those... X570 not support older CPU and not all X370/B350 support ryzen2 ... yes this still make sense rather than intel new-cpu-new-socket things, but i think u get the point
     
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    Remember when the few remaining Intel defenders shouted that X570 mobos are so pricey. :D Yet customers had (have) the CHOICE of buying a cheaper X470, B450, or even X370 or B350 mobo for the Zen 2 CPUs. If you want to buy the newer Intel CPU, no matter what you want, you NEED to buy the newer mobo too.

    1. AM4 is said to last at least until 2020. This means that the Zen 3 CPUs will probably work in the B360, X370 motherboards too. So the AM4 motherboards will be valid for around 3,5 years.
    2. What do you get from an X570 mobo compared to an X470 or even a B450 mobo? I mean, get something means get something that is relevant and has advantages.
    3. You criticize X570 not compatible with older Ryzen CPUs. I ask you this: why would anyone buy a more expensive motherboard to put a cheaper and older Ryzen CPU in it?
    4. "not all X370/B350 support ryzen2" As far as I know, this is not AMD's fault, this is the fault of the mobo partners that don't provide BIOS updates to specific X370/B350 mobos. Yet, this is still a 3 generation old mobo for the newest CPU.
     
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    Zen 3 (aka Ryzen 4000) will be AM4 compatible. Slides have shown it will stay on DDR4 and PCIe 4.0 (for server parts), so I see no need to change the socket now. Plus, AMD said support for the AM4 up to 2020 and the processor is scheduled to release this year.
     
  14. Shakey_Jake33

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    Oh true, most people only upgrade CPU every 4 years or so. But I think for anybody currently on, say, a Ryzen 2000 CPU might see value in upgrading to a Ryzen 4000 when those CPUs become a little cheaper in 1.5 or 2 years time. It's imperfect but progress over the situation that Intel left us in. My ASUS PRIME B450M-A board was designed for 2000 series yet supports everything up to 3950X with 4000 support supposedly coming. That's pretty good going for people like me who have to upgrade on a budget and thus buying a new board is not trivial (that's why I bought a fire sale 2700 and overclocked to 4GHz rather than a 3000 series - on a budget).

    I honestly just want Intel to compete with AMD to keep the pressure on AMD, and vice versa. We all win then.
     
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    This will have DDR5 at this point, that could be the reason behind more pins.
    Maybe triple channel?
    You do not add 500 pins just for feeding current...

    Or maybe i m getting it wrong and 1700 is not the pin number.
     

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    hmmmm... let me guess...
    1 pin for extra voltage, 1 other for ground, 98 others for thing that is not yet set :) and the others because the marketing love the number 500 and think that consumers will bought a new motherboard only if there is lot more pin and not so few like in 1156,1155,1150 and 1151.
    I am joking but asside that point i really hope it wasn't really for this reason... weird isn't it?
     
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    - Old TR were a marketing mistake i think: price were expensive, it was just a Ryzen x2, not really pro, but not either really entusiast gamer, it was even attacked in house from other AMD production (high end Ryzen and the real pro CPU).
    The new socket and feature correct that and make the new TR it's own real place in the AMD's family.
    - On other hand to have seen a 8 core matisse on a B350, i am dubitative...
    The CPU work fine, but feel like kicking like the old Ryzen... i think i would have changed the motherboard too if i were him.
     
  18. BLEH!

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    The YADS approach (Yet Another Desktop Socket) or maybe YAS (Yet Another Socket), YAS works better, it's a TLA. We like TLAs.
     
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    It says on text that the CPU is going to be rectangular in order to house two dies at the same time, does this mean Intel is going to bring back CPUs like the Core2Duo/Quad of the past??? I still have my beloved Q9550!
     
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    I'm a little salty because back in the day I needed to let go of my i5-3570k PC for reasons, and I built this i5-6600k PC to replace it. I got like 10% extra power due to clocks, and that's it. There were two whole Intel CPU generations between those CPUs. I was, to put it mildly, disgusted by Intel's no progress. However, soon after Intel announced the Coffee Lake 6-core as an answer to Ryzen (remember that desktop Kaby Lake and Coffee Lake were released in the same bloody year). It had an identical socket, but Intel made it incompatible with Sky and Kaby mobos just for the lulz. If it had been compatible, I might have bought a 6-core Coffee Lake and been happy for a few years still. However, since it would have required a whole new mobo, I instead decided to wait a while longer for Ryzen to mature and then say good bye to Intel The Ingrate.
     

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