Steam: Nvidia sold 11 GeForce RTX 3000 for every Radeon RX 6000 that AMD sold

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  1. rdmetz

    rdmetz Active Member

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    Does what a bunch of nerds on a forum even matter? Or does world sales and huge surveys on a platform that 95% of people gaming on pc use matter maybe more?
     
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    Funny thing that survey. Remember once went to my son's pc(8700k, 2080s) and logged in on MY steam account, and bam, steam survey kicked in. And I have on my pc since Jan 6800xt, never surveyed...with this card that is. Was 1080, was 2080s once too.
     
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    Hm, I think it's you that have your head in the clouds LOL
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    Looks to me like 3060, 3060 Ti and 3070 have higher Price/Perf than any RX6000 GPU, but sure just live with your illusion.
    Edit: updated new chart.
     
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    You have an annoying knack to move goal posts. I've made it clear that if you're not interested in DXR, AMD has the better cost-per-frame. The only reason to go with AMD right now is if you don't care about DXR. If you throw DXR into the mix, Nvidia is obviously better. Their rasterization performance isn't that much lower but their DXR performance (along with DLSS, which isn't clear from that graph if was enabled) gives them a major edge. That's why I also said if you're going to overpay, you might as well go Nvidia, because they do currently have the better overall platform.

    So yeah, your head is still the one in the clouds, and it doesn't help that your nose is pointed up while it's up there.
     

  5. Krizby

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    That chart is pure rasterization price/perf (no DLSS either), so yeah you just lost your argument on all accounts
     
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    Thats what people need to understand, its an early access feature basically. You are paying to trial out a new feature that won't be truly ready for another 2-3 generations and even then its questionable as resolutions and refresh rates keep increasing so RT, being the holy grail that its marketed as, will more realistically only be achieveable in 3-4 generations. Without compromises and if by then we are on 8K 500HZ monitors you can still wave good buy to your frame rates. But people will find a way to justify a $2000+ GPU purchase.

    And the whole DLSS and FSR debate for PC gamers is just weird to see how the industry has changed and altered from "pcmasterace no compromise" to "I can turn this feature on run the game at lower resolution and get a boost to fps". You are still turning down a setting, regardless weather it "adds in more detail" or "is barely noticeable" you are still running at lower settings then native on your $1500 GPU. I would love a time machine and go back and say this to PC gamers back 10 years ago and I bet near all would laugh at the thought of it. Even Hilbert has mentioned this in a few of his final thoughts on some reviews.
     
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  7. cucaulay malkin

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    Are you looking at the correct chart? Cause that chart tells me that everything is pretty damn close, you are talking 1-4 cent differences at the lower end (6700XT/3070) the lower you go the 3060's are the obvious choice with 12GB VRAM but the Ti is just a joke for gaming in 2021 with 6GB? Then things start looking really bad for Nvidia the higher end you go with the 6900XT destroying the 3090 on both avg performance and price per frame.

    Truth is the 3090 could of easily cost the same or lower than a 6900XT if they just lowered the stupid amount of VRAM and put a cooler on it that didn't weigh as much as a small child.
     
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    Hm, with your limited experience, you think that DLSS is only good for reducing visual quality while giving performance boost, how about when DLSS is in used in combination with Super Sampling (Upscaled to 4K and downsampling to 1080p) ?
    Here is an example
    https://imgsli.com/NjQyNjk

    If you have zero first hand experience with RTX/DLSS, it's best that you don't recycle anti Nvidia crap on the internet

    3060Ti 8GB actually has 13% better price/perf than 6700XT, which is the best bang for buck out of RX6000, I don't know where you get the 1-4% figure from.
     
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  10. RED.Misfit

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    Maybe AMD is simply putting more Ryzen/Epyc orders on TSMC and leaving the GPU market on the side with low volume. They might prefer the margins of CPU products against GPU products ?
    They can probably get more chiplets from a wafer than a monolithic GPU die ? And the chiplet are used in both Ryzen, Threadripper & Epyc, so they can manage to spread their chiplet on the whole CPU family depending on what the market needs.

    I see more Ampere available (at crazy price yep), then RDNA2 (at crazy price too) when i look online at french e-tailer. And if the issue is not gamers buying eagerly each arrival of Radeon, then it has to be because there is no (or minimal) arrival compared to the competition. Meaning less chips made at TSMC, no ?

    Edit : All this has to be because of the supply constraints, you have to make choices, so there are products you want to prioritize production against others.
     
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    I noticed that this forum is "team red" but so much blindness...

    There is another topic where AMD tops the charts for CPU - everybody there agrees that the charts are correct, nobody is on drugs, etc but in this topic because Nvidia is ahead and by a lot everybody is on fire - the charts are misleading, stupid, they are on drugs, etc
    It is not worth it.
    Keep calm and buy whatever you want to buy - after all everybody does what she/he wants with their money - don't assume that people are stupid or crazy because they don't share your red opinion.
     
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  12. Venix

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    well amd priced em too high + inflated price ! Now about how i would buy a gpu when the prices are somewhat approaching msrp i will consider amd but personally cards that are on +- 10% performance i consider em pretty much the same cards 100 to 110 fps and 60 to 66 ...no big deal practically the cards will not be enough for me at the same time as my gaming cards ...and now say we have those 2 +-10% cards on roughly the same price +-20~30 usd ... is not a big deal when you are aiming the 300-400 price range .... so as far they cost about the same i will pick nvidia over amd while i do not care particularly for RTX ..or at all why not include it as far it does not break the bank ? Atm nvidia cards do everything amd cards do +dlss and rtx that's all .
     
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    Still not really. You're not comparing by performance tier. AMD doesn't have a competing product to the 3060[Ti] in that chart. Take AMD out of the equation for a moment: the 3070 is a whopping ~30 cent difference, which is significant for a single performance tier up. So, until the 6600[XT] are added to the chart, the 3060[Ti] is a bit in its own category for the time being.

    So that being said, the 3070 is better by 1 cent. AMD's drivers are notoriously terrible at launch, whereas the 3070 was already decently polished by the time the RX 6000 series came out. That 1-cent difference will likely be negated by now. How do I know this? You didn't see results like this in Windows:
    https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=radeon-rx6700xt-linux&num=1
    The performance is there, and AMD obviously priced everything based on the hardware's capabilities. It would be valid to argue they shouldn't have done that, since the Windows results are what matters more in sales. After all, it convinced you that Nvidia has the better value.

    But as I said multiple times already, factor in DXR and Nvidia is the better choice. You seem to like ignoring that.
     
  14. Krizby

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    I think you are running out of excuses

    old 6700XT review with 14 games:
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    New review with 45 games
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    Not only is that 3060Ti and 3070 offer better bang for buck in rasterization, they also are more feature rich than RX6000 counterpart, I'm not even taking DXR/DLSS into the argument.

    So yeah if you are living in la-la land, who am I to stop you from buying RX6000
     
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  15. schmidtbag

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    How am I running out of excuses? I said with time, the RX 6000 series will get better. In the screenshots you provided, compare individual games between both charts (where available) and you'll see in most (not all) cases, the 6700XT is getting faster.

    Again, the 3060Ti can't be compared since there isn't a competing product to compare it to. Otherwise yes, the 3070 is a better bang for buck overall. Frankly, with current prices, not even a 3060 is a good value.
     
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    I spend a lot of time watching console vs PC vids. The comments for a lot of these videos seem to be from console gamers and I can say that they certainly do care about RT. No question about that. Enough to make some of them consider PC gaming, fueled by all the positive comments from ex-console gamers who moved over to PC. The cost right now is prohibitively expensive, sure, but, they're under no illusion that the best experience for the majority of games is on PC. Gamers are a lot more clued-up now than a few years ago. Of-course, when it comes to discussions about RT it's Nvidia who takes the limelight. Almost everyone who take part in these discussions know that Nvidia is RT King. It's not even up for debate. Unless AMD can close that RT gap next-gen, then, that mindshare isn't going to change.
     
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    3060Ti is actually in the same performance tier as 6700XT as they are within 5% of each other at 1440p and 1% at 4K.

    Now we are getting a clearer picture why Ampere is selling so well compare to RDNA2 aren't we, RX6000 is just overpriced even at MSRP. I'm pretty sure the Price/Perf of the new 6600XT would suck compare to 3060Ti too, AMD just can't help it.
     
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    I can only see that this forum has lots of happy Americans who could order straight from Nvidia/AMD at the precise MSRP. The rest of us are forced to stare at insane prices and all that talk about the MSRP is nothing but fantasy. Like those funny graphs from Krizby that are full of price references straight from a dream world. Who in their right mind would say RTX 3060 Ti would be an excellent card compared to anything from AMD when it costs 800 euros or more? It doesn't even matter how much AMD's competing product costs or what it's capable of when the RTX 3060 Ti itself is so outrageously expensive. It's like two destitute guys dreamily talking about whether it's wiser to buy a Ferrari or Lamborghini... That's similar blindness.
     
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    Yep.
    On my laptop GTX1060 i get the survey kicked every 6 months. Same when I was using GTX780, 1080, 1080Ti on my PC.
    Since 2018 when moved to Vega 64 and later 5700XT if I do not run it manually it doesn't fire up.
     
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    Funny with all that RT talk, there are what? 46 games plus additional 11 to be released that support RT, in how many of those does it actually look that good that it adds photo realistic immersion?
    I can barely count a handful in my collection where it looks towards that direction.
     

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