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Star Trek Discovery

Discussion in 'The Guru's Pub' started by WhiteLightning, Sep 16, 2017.

  1. fantaskarsef

    fantaskarsef Ancient Guru

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    The Emperor was called The Emperor so people would be surprised to see Michelle Yeoh again. Very "skillful" working around that issue.
    Also, in a universe where genocide is daily business, I'm not sure they are worried about political correctness, like using female titles.
     
  2. Fox2232

    Fox2232 Ancient Guru

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    "Please Stand By" ... very good ST movie.
     
  3. Loobyluggs

    Loobyluggs Ancient Guru

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    Looking for mistakes and finding them are two different things, yet am pleased you see it as a mistake. Consistently inconsistent, is the only constant DISC has.

    There is a body of work that spans 50 years here, it would be inappropriate and egregious to ignore it - and that's before you consider the dialectics of character design.

    Once you establish (in Star Trek) that a female Emperor is called an Empress (In a Mirror, Darkly pt II) then that's that. If you wish to subvert nomenclature, then that is fine, but it must be covered and explained as to why it has happened. In this instance, all it would need is one line by a side-character to say "She didn't want to be referred to as 'Empress' for reasons-that-are-not-important" and; you are covered.

    The writers appear to incorrectly view this as a tradition more honoured in the breach than the observance.

    In Star Fleet, one is allowed a seniority privilege of being referred to in or out of traditional rank, which has always echoed British Naval nomenclature (citation needed). This was established (will allow to be corrected if there are instances further back in the history of Star Trek.*) in STV S.1Ep.1:

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    JANEWAY
    Ensign, despite Star Fleet protocol, I do not like being addressed as 'Sir'.

    KIM
    I'm sorry...Ma'am?

    JANEWAY
    'Ma'am' is acceptable in a crunch, but I prefer 'Captain'.

    -------

    Now, in this instance of Micheal being addressed as 'sir', that is protocol unless otherwise stated which is hasn't, so, 'sir' it is.

    Agreed - but it must be established if it contravenes prior established norms, which it hasn't.


    *I think there is the remote possibility that Deanna Troi was addressed or referred to as 'sir' in the episode 'Disaster' by Miles O'Brien, correcting Ensign Ro - but it's been a few years since I've seen the episode.
     
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  4. The Laughing Ma

    The Laughing Ma Ancient Guru

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    I can;t be bothered debating this with you but let me assure you that at no point did I say it was a mistake, and no doubt you are going to us some backwards logic to explain how I actually do consider it a mistake so let me be 100% clear I consider it strange that they opted for a non sex specific nomenclature, I find it strange that the Enterprise episode that brought about this entire alternate Universe had no issue reffering to Sato as an Empress but I do not consider the non sex specific nomenclature 'emperor' and it's usage in the recent episodes of STD to be a mistake. I do however notice that you chose to not answer the question that if all you are doing now is watching to pick holes in story plots and reference no matter how: stupid, small, insignificant or petty as they may be then why on god's green f*cking earth do you bother watching the show at all?

    Sorry I seem to have missed a reference somewhere here??
     

  5. lucidus

    lucidus Ancient Guru

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    Damn, you two are Star Trek encyclopaedias lol.
     
  6. fantaskarsef

    fantaskarsef Ancient Guru

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    I think he was referring to the losely based frame that the movie uses with a girl that tries to get her Star Trek fiction heard / read / used for production. I had to look it up too.



    Feel free to add something (Psst, here's a cheaty help: http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Portal:Main :) )
     
  7. Icanium

    Icanium Maha Guru

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    Would be good to see Klingons with the augment virus on STD, since this is 10 years before TOS and Kirk only encountered Klingons with the augment virus when his journeys where on the small screen.
     
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  8. Loobyluggs

    Loobyluggs Ancient Guru

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    Apologies. I took your sentence apart regarding mistakes and reforged it. It was slightly petty, I agree.

    This thread is not about why Loobyluggs is or is not watching the show, it's a discussion thread about the show - and yes, if I find mistakes (I was not looking for them) I will raise them.

    I do try and give examples and comparisons, but you gotta realise that with 50+ years behind it, the lore is the law.

    If you have been exposed to this lore, you will be dragged kicking and screaming out of the show every-time there are mistakes. I wouldn't wish to give an analogy, but it's no different than having Gandalf turn up in a Ferrari and playing drum and bass, with a dizzy blonde in the passenger seat...

    GANDALF
    (bobbing his head to the music)
    C'mon Frodo, let's get dat bling-ring outta the shire' motha fackaaaa!

    ---

    Seriously, it really is as bad as that.
     
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  9. fantaskarsef

    fantaskarsef Ancient Guru

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    Sorry for OT, but I guess you've seen / heard of "Lord of the Weed"? German satirical dub?
    "Have you ever witnessed a 5000W bass machine?!"
     
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  10. Loobyluggs

    Loobyluggs Ancient Guru

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    Two things:

    1) Klingons have purple blood.

    2) Any Klingon that would NOT of shot/attacked/killed another Klingon standing in that room addressing the high council, with basically a threat; is basically NOT a Klingon.

    She wouldn't have even finished the sentence "I hold in my hand...".

    Does anyone else get the feeling the entire speech at the end was...gee...I can't even finish my thoughts on that...
     
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  11. XP-200

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    Just saw the last episode........those last 2 mins of the show. :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D
     
  12. Icanium

    Icanium Maha Guru

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    R1, No Klingons are red blooded, What ST series or movie did you get purple blooded from?
    R2, "I hold in my hand" (how would they know the completed sentence would not be)... a dead man switch which will destroy Kronos upon on my death or flipping this switch.

    I was hoping for more details on the war with the Klingons.
     
  13. lucidus

    lucidus Ancient Guru

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    Pretty sure undiscovered country had the blood.
     
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  14. Loobyluggs

    Loobyluggs Ancient Guru

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    I was exaggerating. It was basically a vague threat that no Klingon would allow. You have an underground bomb that can cause a chain-reaction linked by WiFi to a hand-held device...not hard to figure out a way of stopping it.

    Also, do you really think Klingons would respect something as dumb as a planet-wide kill-switch? You would be first against the wall for having absolutely no honor, and your family name would be tarnished forever.

    There is no honor in it.

    "DabuQlu'DI' yISuv." When threatened, fight.*

    Not only did it have the blood, it was a major part of the plot and, was a major part of the plot.

    You mean the speech or the other (spoiler alert) thing?

    *Ancient Klingon proverb
     
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    ^^The you know what turning up and the theme tune at the end. :D:D:D

    The episode was meh at best, but that ending.:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D
     
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  16. Loobyluggs

    Loobyluggs Ancient Guru

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    You liked that? Man, it thought it was a sucker-punch that had the impact of a wet salmon - but perhaps that's just me. Y'see, when they redid the
    SFX
    of
    TOS
    they didn't detract from
    the original look of the Enterprise
    and so seeing it on television with DISC, I did call it and say they would
    mess it up.
    They
    went full-JJ.
    and it was like having someone hire me to clean up the bloodbath of my own failed assassination attempt, with full contempt.

    "They didn't like the show? Oh, if we dangle
    Pre-Kirk NCC-1701
    it will be our way of silencing the nan-sayers....hahahahahaaaa"

    Nope. And again, I called it.
     
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  17. XP-200

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    ^^Visuals never really bothered me in Trek, i can watch TOS with the old or new effects, whatever takes my fancy at that time, but as for this, i loved it, i am more interested in story than visuals and if i get to see more of P and E history on screen via Discovery then i am all for it, hell drop Discovery and crew and we can all board and follow the E with P and crew, and that would do me fine. ;)
     
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  18. lucidus

    lucidus Ancient Guru

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    Yeah, blow up the Discovery, make Michael the E's barber and make the show about discovery with P and company :D
     
  19. Loobyluggs

    Loobyluggs Ancient Guru

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    They still messed it up, and to what end? Seriously, what was the point of having it there? What plot line did it meet? What element of the story you had seen up to that point that necessitated its inclusion?

    They could have done this:

    INT - USS DISCOVERY - BETA WATCH

    ENSIGN
    Captain, we have an emergency hail from co-ordinates 123 mark ABC mark 789!

    CAPTAIN
    Identify signal!

    ENSIGN
    Garbled distress...something about warp core...it's...Captain Pike!

    CAPTAIN
    Confirm!

    ENSIGN
    Registry transmission confirmed as...constitution class...NCC-1701-

    CAPTAIN
    -Helm! Lay in an intercept course - maximum warp!

    HELM
    Aye, Cap'n. Course laid in!

    CAPTAIN
    -Punch it!​

    EXT - SPACE - USS DISCOVERY
    The ship banks and changes heading. The warp nacelles power up and Z-ZAP the ship fly's off into the distance with a BOOM. It is gone.

    DISSOLVE TO - CREDITS

    See, they could've done that. Not shown the thing at all. There was no reason to show what they did and I can only conclude that it was a cheap novelty item, intended to pacify Trek fans into thinking this abomination of a television show has anything to do with Star Trek in any way, other than the name.

    I just wrote in less than five minutes an ending better than the one they shot. In five minutes. Five.
     
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    ^^As long as it's a good story i am up for anything.
     

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