SSD Makers start warning that Mining Products Like Chia Coin Will Void Warranty

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  1. Hilbert Hagedoorn

    Hilbert Hagedoorn Don Vito Corleone Staff Member

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  2. Fox2232

    Fox2232 Ancient Guru

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    Is it like installing torrent client when user agrees he has no control over what's being downloaded/uploaded?

    Still GALAX made rather arrogant statement.
    “If users use our SSDs for mining/farming and other abnormal operations, the data writing volume is much higher than the standard for daily use, and the SSD will slow down or get damaged due to excessive data writing volume. Due to the tests carried out, the damages are qualitative according to the test results, and that is why according to the quality assurance standards of our SSDs, we have the right to refuse to provide warranty services. The right of final interpretation belongs to the company. "

    For real? I use my OS SSD (Vertex4 128GB) in "other" abnormal way. Because my Firefox has right now 507 tabs open. It not only eats quite some memory, it needs to be read and written down to SSD with every launch shutdown.
    I am not native speaker, but I bet: "In our testing, we determined that damages are qualitative." Makes more sense and looks like much nicer.
    And way they continue. It is really big red flag. GALAX'es Quality Standards mean that they have right to refuse warranty services? And that this decision is at their own discretion.

    Everyone else who has drop of sanity left uses: "Warranty is 5 years or xxx TBW... whichever comes first."
    But GALAX: "We detected some abnormal use in that 1 month you own our product. Sorry, According to our Quality Standards, we hereby refuse your warranty claim."
     
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    "507 tabs open"

    That's a LOT of Pron to review!
     
  4. TheDeeGee

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    They should do that for GPUs as well.
     
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    That would be quite some benchmark for FF. But I have feeling that even my 32GB of RAM would not be enough to have them just cached as inactive tabs.
    But a lot of them are for entertainment. Like IMDB pages for movies I plan to see someday or books/manga/YT.
    If you think about content you want to have overview about, it may still be a lot. But having 50 tabs for different investment views. 30 for different personal data/communication. 50 for shopping. It adds really fast.

    What I really liked was time when FF had beta for vertical tabs organizer instead of using top bar as I could scroll through them more easily and read actual tab names better. I even use vertical windows "taskbar".
    And what I would appreciate would be pocket tabs where one would put set of tabs that would be shown as thumbnails of actual content. And upon clicking it would maximize inside of this "aggregate" tab. And then it would be possible to minimize it again. (Something like always active bookmark folder.)
    Suddenly, I would use one master tab for YT, IMDB, ... One for G3D instead of 8.

    I am quite used to multitasking. And I have feeling that if given right organizing tools, many more people would be too.
     
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    Good luck trying to enforce it since the manufacturer cannot PROVE it.
     
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    Is using a Photoshop Scratch Disc or any other program where you can add a disc for loads of read/write operations to speed up work much different from the read/write cycles of Chia Coins?
    They better honor their TBW warranty.
    Isn't GALAX that company who makes them HOF cards? Didn't even know they had other stuff.
     
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    Let me guess, SSD's are now going to triple in price and be hard to purchase.
     
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    Nah dont worry ssd's are now cheaper than ever especially sata.
     
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    "Good luck trying to enforce it since the manufacturer cannot PROVE it."

    Actually, you could prove out relatively easily. SMART stores power up time and data read/written etc. It's easy to prove an abnormal amount of continuous data writes.

    First thing I thought of is Intel Optane and standard hard disks. Easy and cheap to replace a 16GB Optane drive that's worn out.
     
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    This makes no sense at all to me and I will never understand this thinking , why are people in favor of a company limiting your use of a product that you have purchased. Where does it stop , is it ok for a company to start charging for operations it has removed from there product. Maybe only selling to people who have electric car ,oh wait those rare earth metals used in lithium batteries may offend some people.
     
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    Seriously good luck trying to ENFORCE this type of "limited use" policy in the US, Canada, EU, Australia or the free world.

    Video editors, 3d render farms, streamers, archives maintenance, db storage and backup, etc...

    I smell lost of market share and class action lawsuits. Any further push from the vendor can see sanctions on a national level.
     
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    U are in serious need of the Vivaldi browser, give it a try. It does almost exactly what u want.
     
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    What the hell galax is smoking ? Ssd warranty is x amount of years or xxxx tbw witch ever comes first if i spend all the tbw in a month so be it. I brought the ssd i own it i will use it as i see fit . Maybe Galax is really afraid for people to figure out the real tbw their drives can take on average and they starting to blaming things sweating balls already !
     
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    My 3x Optane 905p laugh at ssd's TBW :D
     

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    chia miners presumably would only be interested in high capacity drives, so they could finally push demand enough to make 2tb+ SSD pricing make sense, I hoped consoles would do that but they are taking too damn long

    it would be interesting to see where the chokepoint is on such a system, presumably its land rather than energy, and land allocation is not even remotely as flexible as energy, so this could make it more decentralized, although I'm finding it hard to imagine how 3-5w 30gram devices could amount to anything in terms of space
     
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    Cool So when is the Shortage/ OUT of Stock gona start for SSD? and the price scapling?
     
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    When people buy, they're free to use it as they like. As for warranty, x years or xxx TBW whichever comes first is also correct. If you spend up your TBW before x years your warranty is out. So even without Galax making the statement, the warranty policy already stated that farming might not be covered by the warranty because you used up your TBW in shorter time.
     
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    To everyone butthurt on how they are going to know, they have smarter people than you working for them.
    And if you don't like my response, know that its possible to simulate 8 hours working on video editing and other normal workloads, they already do that to set their warranties.
    Mining/Farming 24/7 is really obvious, you'll going to shorten the designed product lifespan by at least a third.
    Seeing how many hours it was on works for both SSD and GPU: a 24/7 power on hour count since date of purchase is clearly fishy.
     
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    Sure thing, TBW is still TBW, regardless of time spend on it though.
     
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