Spotted: 24 cores and 32 threads, Intel plans Raptor Lake designs with more E-cores this time.

Discussion in 'Frontpage news' started by Hilbert Hagedoorn, Dec 6, 2021.

  1. TieSKey

    TieSKey Master Guru

    Messages:
    213
    Likes Received:
    81
    GPU:
    Gtx870m 3Gb

    Agree 100% with both of u. I actually never liked the idea of hybrid cpus for the desktop but between the 2 options I think this could make a little more sense (depending in if the fab process can be actually tuned to hit max efficiency at different speed lvls)
     
  2. Venix

    Venix Ancient Guru

    Messages:
    2,572
    Likes Received:
    1,281
    GPU:
    Palit 1060 6gb
    guys the little cores are no slouches and they can fit almost4 little cores on the same space they fit a big one , while there are some workloads the little cores are meh at best in the majority of workloads they are more than pulling their weight to add up perfomance . Sadly gaming is not one of the workloads they benefit from little cores , but those are cpus can do a lot more than just gaming.
     
    sykozis and tunejunky like this.
  3. Fishbone

    Fishbone New Member

    Messages:
    2
    Likes Received:
    0
    GPU:
    Nvidia 1650Ti
    I refuse to support Intel.
     
  4. nizzen

    nizzen Ancient Guru

    Messages:
    2,181
    Likes Received:
    873
    GPU:
    3x3090/3060ti/2080t
    Cool story bro....

    Get a job. The best advice you'll ever get ;)
     
    Why_Me likes this.

  5. mackintosh

    mackintosh Master Guru

    Messages:
    819
    Likes Received:
    562
    GPU:
    2080Ti
    Jesus Christ, nizzen. You just can't help yourself m8, can you.
     
  6. Dragam1337

    Dragam1337 Ancient Guru

    Messages:
    4,564
    Likes Received:
    2,795
    GPU:
    RTX 3090 Strix OC
    Intel claims that the e-cores are equal to skylake cores, but they arent... watch hardware unboxed videoes.

    Sadly everyone is buying into all the bs pr... as usual...
     
  7. Kaarme

    Kaarme Ancient Guru

    Messages:
    3,081
    Likes Received:
    1,811
    GPU:
    Sapphire 390
    I think it was an Anandtech Alder Lake review where I got it. Their tests showed the E-cores performing at around 50-60% of the P-core performance. Although it changed significantly depending on what kind of process is being run on the core. But of course, I don't have one myself, so I can't speak for it personally.
     
  8. nizzen

    nizzen Ancient Guru

    Messages:
    2,181
    Likes Received:
    873
    GPU:
    3x3090/3060ti/2080t
    Did they test Cinebench with the cheap cores? :p
     
  9. MonstroMart

    MonstroMart Maha Guru

    Messages:
    1,208
    Likes Received:
    667
    GPU:
    RX 6800 Red Dragon
    [​IMG]
     
  10. Agent-A01

    Agent-A01 Ancient Guru

    Messages:
    11,591
    Likes Received:
    1,079
    GPU:
    3080Ti Strix H20
    They are equal to skylake cores.
    What you are seeing in tests for hardware boxed are issues arising from having high interconnect latency to the ring bus.
    The e cores aren't designed for low latency bound applications.

    Take applications where latency isn't an issue and you see that e-cores perform very well considering all else.
     

  11. Dragam1337

    Dragam1337 Ancient Guru

    Messages:
    4,564
    Likes Received:
    2,795
    GPU:
    RTX 3090 Strix OC
    Which basically confirms what i've been saying the entire time - the E cores are wasted die space on gaming cpu's. We would have been better off with zero E cores, and 2 more P cores. But we already gone over that in another thread :)
     
  12. tsunami231

    tsunami231 Ancient Guru

    Messages:
    13,153
    Likes Received:
    1,227
    GPU:
    EVGA 1070Ti Black
    E cores can be great IF and when they work for the with out issues. Those P cores could be use for games while the E cores could be use for background stuff like running the OS and other mundane stuff. we are long ways from that happen.

    Wattage is still out of control even on IDLE these new cpus pull more wattage then none P/E cores design from what i been reading, then again I think Wattage on CPU and GPU have gone to dark side aka use more power to get better performance.
     
  13. Agent-A01

    Agent-A01 Ancient Guru

    Messages:
    11,591
    Likes Received:
    1,079
    GPU:
    3080Ti Strix H20
    Correct for gaming there's no benefit(typically). Unless you're a streamer or something where additional cores to offload load off P cores could be beneficial.

    For most games, e cores aren't good. But multi-threaded rendering etc will benefit a lot from additional e-cores.
     
    Why_Me likes this.
  14. Dragam1337

    Dragam1337 Ancient Guru

    Messages:
    4,564
    Likes Received:
    2,795
    GPU:
    RTX 3090 Strix OC
    Considering how MASSIVE pc gaming is now, you'd think intel could make cpu's specifically configured for it, rather than just giving us the same power saving stuff they made for mobile chips...
     
  15. southamptonfc

    southamptonfc Ancient Guru

    Messages:
    2,300
    Likes Received:
    353
    GPU:
    GB 3080ti Vision OC
    I suspect they don't offer that because it would have better performance than their entry level X CPU which has 10 cores while at the same time consuming at lot more power.

    It again highlights how stuck we are in-terms of transistor size.
     

  16. Dragam1337

    Dragam1337 Ancient Guru

    Messages:
    4,564
    Likes Received:
    2,795
    GPU:
    RTX 3090 Strix OC
    In other words : greed
     
  17. tsunami231

    tsunami231 Ancient Guru

    Messages:
    13,153
    Likes Received:
    1,227
    GPU:
    EVGA 1070Ti Black
    its all about greed and how much one can get away with
     
  18. BLEH!

    BLEH! Ancient Guru

    Messages:
    6,307
    Likes Received:
    315
    GPU:
    Sapphire Fury
    This will probably push the power draw well over 300W. Those P cores are really inefficient compared to AMD's design on Ryzen it seems...
     
  19. nizzen

    nizzen Ancient Guru

    Messages:
    2,181
    Likes Received:
    873
    GPU:
    3x3090/3060ti/2080t
    not in gaming :)
     
    Why_Me likes this.
  20. Why_Me

    Why_Me Member Guru

    Messages:
    123
    Likes Received:
    43
    GPU:
    MSI OC 8800GT 512
    The upcoming locked Alder Lake cpu's won't have e-cores.
    You want to know what greed looks like .. I'll show you. Greed is AMD leaving the budget cpu market so that they can get higher dividends in the high range market.

    https://www.amazon.com/12-Thread-Unlocked-Desktop-Processor-Stealth/dp/B08ZMFS7R8/
    AMD 5 3600 $249.00

    https://www.newegg.com/amd-ryzen-5-5600x/p/N82E16819113666
    AMD Ryzen 5 5600X $299.00

    https://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp
    Intel CORE I5-10400F $149.99

    https://www.newegg.com/intel-core-i5-11400-core-i5-11th-gen/p/N82E16819118241
    Intel Core i5-11400 $189.98
     

Share This Page