Sony announces the Playstation 4

Thats the issue. every PS3 xbox pc game video on youtube have comment as top comment that PC is the KING etc.. YOU DONT SAY?

PC gamers are bitches. i say that. what ever you do, you cant satisfy them.

 

Thank you for a gross stereotype.

 

Sony asked game developers for help design there console and I think they have come up with a good system, 8 gig of ram seems overkill but im happy more the merrier.


The PS4's PC-like architecture isn't the only new feature to have met approval from the development community. The console's impressive 8GB of GDDR5 RAM came as a surprise to many gamers - and even some developers we spoke to who have worked with PS4 dev kits.Traditionally console dev kits contain more memory than retail units. With the PS4 dev kits containing 8GB of RAM, Sony's announcement that the retail unit would contain the same amount delighted as much as it surprised."8GB of GDDR5. Just for a minute can you work out what that means?" Gilray says, excited. "That's a phenomenal amount of memory. And the fact it's GDDR5 memory as well is just nuts."Gilray isn't the only one excited. Respected game developers, including id Software programming legend John Carmack, Gearbox chief Randy Pitchford and Crytek R&D principle graphics programmer Tiago Sousa, took to Twitter to say how pleased they were with the amount of RAM in the console."8 GB unified mem as baseline for next tech iterations makes me very, very happy. Fun times coming ^_^," tweeted Sousa. "I can't speak freely about PS4, but now that some specs have been made public, I can say that Sony made wise engineering choices," said Carmack.I can't speak freely about PS4, but now that some specs have been made public, I can say that Sony made wise engineering choicesprogramming legend John Carmack

 

You are welcome. If u ask for more, let me know it. There is more where it came from.

 

Lmao

 

AMD already released the design goals for Jaguar: 10% increased clock performance, double the FPU and 15% better IPC over Bobcat, in addition it doubles the cores (2>4). There is only so much you can fool around with a CPU micro-architecture for a custom order.

https://twitter.com/Fire0cean/status/304453492741898240

Over there Anand is discussing with someone whether or not the Jaguar cores can even beat single threaded the old PPC cores in the Xbox360/PS3. So we're talking about around a bit more than twice the CPU performance from a console 7 years old!

 

Again, I was only trying to emphasize from Sony's point of view.

Also the point being is that in 2006 when the PS3 launched, in order to build something to match it's power you did have to go over around $800. It was just that powerful at the time compared to the competition around it. This time around, they are launching in eight months something that is already obsolete hardware wise (except for the GPU and RAM maybe).

 

But the PS3 was $800. Sony was subsidizing the cost and losing $300 on every sale of the lesser 20gb version, $240 on the 60GB. And what did they get for it? The 8800GTX launched the same month the PS3 did and out performed the GPU in it 2-1.

So yeah, I still think the hardware decisions in the PS4 were the correct ones. They are offering extremely good potential performance (slightly under a GTX680) plus all the other stuff for near the price of a 680 (1.84TF vs 2.5TF and $400 vs $450). On the CPU side the performance isn't really that relevant. It has to feed the GPU frames and that's about it. Unless you're going to subsidize the cost you're not going to get more performance per $ out of the thing.

 

AI, sound, pathfinding; these are just some of the parts processed on the CPU. I was hoping for games this generation which would allow for a far greater amount of units on screen with much better AI than in the past; this is not going to happen now with the CPU power available here.

 

It's been shown to you multiple times that you cannot.

 

Sound is trivial for a modern processor.

As for AI, without implementing statistical machine learning modern AI isn't going to get better regardless to the processor being used. Pretty much all game AI is just highly scripted events and predefined algorithms. You're basically limited by development time rather than CPU power.

And even when SM is used it's going to benefit from having higher vector math output which is where Jaguar cores are superior to similarly specced Intel processors anyway and once again will benefit from having more threads.

And on that note I'm done posting as I believe we reached an impasse.

I'm not a big console gamer but from an engineering standpoint the PS4 looks sound. Would I like to see consoles disappear entirely in favor for a certification approach? Absolutely. I've posted about that here before -- but at the moment that doesn't look like the direction the industry is headed, unless Valve manages to pull a rabbit out of it's hat. So here we are stuck with the PS4 and Xbox whatever they are calling it. I think they did a pretty good job hardware wise and I'm glad they switched to X86. Hopefully we can get some good games by next year on both the consoles and PC.

 

How do you know for sure.

 

You are talking about a CPU with 2x-3x the power of the CPU in the PS3/Xbox360, where are you getting the power to enable these I wonder?

 

No im not talking about a cpu with 2x-3x the power of the cpu in a ps3/360 because you and no one else has released the true spec's.

And you say where am I getting the power to enable these you wonder, answer is I dont because I don't' create games for the ps4 and I had no input into the ps4 architecture.

 

You're right, I don't know.

What we are working with is the publicly released information so far. We may be completely off the mark, but at least this is one way to pass the next eight months.

 

Interesting tidbit to add to the rumor mill...

AMD presented Jaguar at ISSCC, its four core x86-64 processor for SoCs which can throttle down to 0.5W, or up to over 1.85GHz and 25W.

The 28nm 11 metal layer processor occupies 26.2mm2, and "is implemented with an emphasis on design efficiency, while improving instructions-per-cycle, frequency and power compared to the prior-generation 40nm dual-core Bobcat," said AMD.

http://www.electronicsweekly.com/Ar...c-quad-x86-throttles-from-0.5w-to-1.85ghz.htm

 

So they stuck a mobile cpu in to the system?? let the rumor mill continue untill sony actual release more spefic specs and better info on the amd cpu