Some US states tightening power consumption requirements for high-end gaming PCs

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  1. itpro

    itpro Maha Guru

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    Go back to your bubble.
     
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    I would never go back to my bubble. I literally get off on this. I love that the requirements are there and there's nothing you can do about them. It makes me so happy and, even better, the madder you are, the happier I get.
     
  3. Denial

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    Lol after watching the Gamers Nexus breakdown of this, the thread is even more embarrassing.

    Apparently it does only affect computers in idle. It only applies to large companies and it essentially just requires companies to use more efficient power supplies.
     
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    Lol I thought you guys couldn't look any dumber but here we are. Wild.
     
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    Thanks I figured I'd missed something in there. Just glad to know it now.

    Also use to be a long time ago but now more along the lines of @tunejunky being apolitical. Just support people with good ideas and to hell with the related party.
     
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    I was actually reading the chart wrong - it only affects idle, you were correct.

    GNex breaks it down in the video linked above really well honestly.
     
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    A variation of "not even wrong"?
    The phrase not even wrong is attributed to the theoretical physicist Wolfgang Pauli, who was known for his colorful objections to incorrect or careless thinking.

    Quite recently, a friend showed Pauli the paper of a young physicist which he suspected was not of great value but on which he wanted Pauli’s views. Pauli remarked sadly:
    - That is not only not right, it is not even wrong.
    Or in Pauli's native German, "Das ist nicht nur nicht richtig; es ist nicht einmal falsch!"

    Peierls also quotes another example when Pauli replied to Lev Landau, "What you said was so confused that one could not tell whether it was nonsense or not."
     
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    So, I read most of the gut reaction comments.
    Emotions run high on all sides.

    Here's my take. This type of regulation is "feel good"
    It allows the government, and those who support the current political block the opportunity to demonstrate their moral "concern" about an issue without actually doing the hard work of actually addressing the key underlying issues.

    As some have mentioned, the generating capacity that will be required for all electric car society is going to be huge.
    The requirement for investment in the grid, in transmission lines, in charging stations, in generation, and in off peak storage will run into the TRILLIONS AND TRILLIONS of dollars.

    Does anyone really think that regulating gaming computers will make even 1 millionth of 1 percent difference to the big picture?

    CALIFORNIA could outlaw all CRYPTO CURRANCY.
    It would affect the local grid, but also the world wide energy waste on this Ponzi scheme.

    WILL THEY DO THAT? no

    CALIFORNIA could outlaw air conditioning. It is not a requirement for human life for the last 100,000 years.
    People would think carefully about global warming and living in areas of the country that are not sustainable (water in the entire West in being used beyond sustainable levels, even without drought years and global warming.

    WILL THEY DO THAT? no

    CALIFORNIA could fast track modern nuclear power. In 20 years they could build the capacity for zero carbon electricity to power the proposed fleet of electric cars.

    WILL THEY DO THAT? no

    CALIFORNIA could pass laws on population density, use zoning to limit population growth (many legal issues and STATE vs. FED issues, yes a GIVEN)

    However, they will not look at reducing the general increase in population and the impact of all economic growth has on ALL of the earths resources.

    No, they in their infinite wisdom think that regulating the size of a graphics card in a home computer is a solution worthy of their time.

    INSANITY.
    INSANITY
    INSANITY
     
  9. hamltnblue

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    The day they stop flying their learjets is the same day I'll stop flying my Flight simulator learjet. Mine uses a lot less energy.
     
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    They aren't regulating the size of a graphics card. They are regulating how much power your computer can use in various idle states (basically makes Gold rated PSU's at 600w necessary) and that's it.

    It doesn't affect your ability to game at all.

    The rest of your post is kind of weird - even if you think all of those things are plausible (they aren't) they can all be done concurrently with asking for power supplies to be more efficient.

    Kind of a weird statement to make when literally no one is asking you to stop flying your learjet.
     
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    Imagine the headspace you'd need to be in to write this
     
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    Imagine the headspace you'd need to be in to write this

    A lifetime of watching real solutions to real problems be ignored while politically correct people chasing down "wish think"
    There is a delusional think in the US. IF you have good intentions, and you pass laws that you "WISH" were a solution;
    Well that is all good.

    You have achieved your goal just by the magic of your good intentions!!!
    The fact that you have no, or even a negative effect is never considered or merely discounted.
    It is the thought that counts.
    I have seen it a thousand times.

    This is time one thousand and one.

    Government could spend their time solving real problems....or just ignore them and wish they will go away.

    I'll give you an example.

    The STATE of TX needs to improve their grid also.
    They need to pass legislations to enforce voting laws.
    They need to address extreme growth and the housing shortage.
    They need to address the min. wage.
    Property taxes went us 40% this year alone.

    Are they doing any of these things?

    Nope,
    But hey, they did pass a resolution that forbid the football team at the local college(UT AUSTIN) from changing the division in which they compete.

    I kid you not.

    So CALIFORNIA is concerned about the use of high powered gaming cards.
    But they are not concerned about BITCOIN mining.
    They are not concerned with paying for their road infrastructure when the gas tax is phased out.
    They are not concerned with paying for the WISH THINK project of high speed rail.
    They are not concerned with a power grid that fails every summer because they passed a law saying the STATE OWNED power company is liable for damage caused by acts of nature(GOD)

    AGAIN, you can't make this stuff up. CALIFORNIA has black-outs because in high wind conditions, the power company is liable for damage if live power lines fall and start a fire.

    Yet, given this fact....I apparently am the one who in "unhinged"

    Yeah, as they say in CALIFORNIA...for sure.
     
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    But they aren't concerned about high powered gaming cards - so why do you keep mentioning something that's completely fabricated? Why do you keep lying? And how am I supposed to trust anything else you say if you can't even get this right?

    But let's just say they were - wouldn't banning and/or putting efficiency standards on electronics curb the bitcoin mining problem? How the hell else are you just going to "ban" cryptomining? China style control over the internet or what?

    Edit:

    Also PG&E isn't even owned by the state:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacific_Gas_and_Electric_Company

    You come in here and ramble this dogshit off and it's all just lies. In what whacko world do you want to live in where companies aren't held responsible for properly maintaining and engineering their infrastructure?

    This whole post is so dumb it really boggles my mind people think like this.
     
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    Overseen by the California Public Utilities Commission; PG&E is the leading subsidiary of the holding company PG&E Corporation, which has a market capitalization of $3.242 billion as of January 16, 2019.[5] PG&E was established on October 10, 1905 from the merger and consolidation of predecessor utility companies, and by 1984 was the United States' "largest electric utility business".[6] PG&E is one of six regulated, investor-owned electric utilities (IOUs) in California; the other five are PacifiCorp, Southern California Edison, San Diego Gas & Electric, Bear Valley Electric, and Liberty Utilities.[7]


    Yes, I am aware.
    I do business with a power company in CALIFORNIA.

    Yes, these UTILITES exist as the behest of the government of CALIFORNIA.
    They live or die by the rules of the public utility commission.
    The fact that you can buy stock in a UTILITY, does not make them any more or less a monopoly run by the State.

    There is no lie. I guess you believe that the oil and gas companies in Russia are independent of Putin.

    You ever been to CALIFORNIA?
    You ever do business in CALIFORNIA?

    I have and I do.
    The insane costs added to even the simplest transaction due to government "oversight " is insane.

    These are facts, not conjecture.

    I live in AUSTIN TX.
    The local reality board, in conjunction with the STATE, did a study on the cost of low income housing.
    They found that the overhead of local zoning and regulation increased the cost of housing by 100%.

    IF you could build a single family apartment unit for say $100,000 in a rural town anyplace else TX...
    That same exact single family apartment unit would cost $200,000 to build in AUSTIN.


    RE BITCOIN:

    Yes, all you need to do is state that BITCOIN is an illegal tax avoidance / black market money transfer mechanism.
    As a STATE, you prohibit its use for any payment or bank transaction.

    In case you were unaware, the banking industry, and money transfers are all heavy regulated.
    You make any transaction above $5000 and the federal government monitors it.

    Yet, for some reason you think BITCOIN should be exempt from society control.

    OH WAIT, you are all for society control of corporations and even how much energy I use on my graphics card.

    SEE ANY IRONY IN THE POSTION YOU HAVE TAKEN???????
     
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    But they aren't concerned about high powered gaming cards - so why do you keep mentioning something that's completely fabricated? Why do you keep lying? And how am I supposed to trust anything else you say if you can't even get this right?

    I don't know what article you are reading.

    The examples shown are that DELL will not ship computers with certain high power (wattage) gaming cards.
    This is exactly the effect of the regulation.

    You can buy a rig configured that way in any other state but the four mentioned.

    I guess you think the OP article is lying? I was merely taking it at face value. I assume it is correct, but do not have any direct knowledge of it.
     

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    Just. Wow.

    PG&E, SoCal Ed, and others are publicly traded, but they are not in any way shape or form
    affiliated with California other than being
    regulated by it.

    separate from any political take you or anyone else may have, PG&E is a bad company.

    secondarily, the state is in extreme fire hazard and PG&E has a history of non-compliance, ill will, and poor transmission line maintenance and is legally liable for the biggest fires in state history.

    thirdly, California is the biggest state with the greatest numbers in any category. during extreme heat events air conditioning is a lot more important than gaming as lives depend on it. really, would you want to play fortnite when there are folks stroking out from heat prostration?

    just selfish.
     
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    Have we met people? most people dont give rats as unless it specifically effects them. Which is main reason thing get ignored so much till there no choice but to deal with which by that time it is to late.

    Humanity at it best or worst depends how you look at it. To quote Snake plisken which i sure isnt first person to say this I just know from the movie. "The more things change, the more the stay the same."

    And his idea to fix all was to EMP the world force everyone back to horse and buggy age. where they either get crap togethe or die.
     
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    @The Goose
    and none of it relevant to "make it" to the next day.

    nothing bad (+10 ppl getting hurt/killed) has been prevented in the past 200y, because of "free"/less restrictions.
    lets go back to using lead in all kinds of things, and maybe DDT and asbestos too..

    @itpro
    yeah, who needs regulations.
    maybe the next time you buy toothpaste, made in a certain area of this planet that got tainted, and hurt/killed a family member.

    @anticupidon
    and your worried why? cause your a mod? k.

    @Airbud
    aaah, the tree hugger reference. always good when running out of valid arguments.
    im not worried about weather getting a little out of wack, but no one can tell me 40km of glaciers disappearing within 30-40y or the tundra thawing after being frozen for thousands of years doesnt happen for no reason.

    and maybe do a quick web search to figure out a planet full of e-cars isnt bad as combustion cars, as efficiency just on the engine alone is ~30% better, completely ignoring all the "good" things when you turn oil into gasoline/fuel, which you cant even produce from solar/wind/water. like you can with electric power.
     
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    The article doesn't say that. It describes what measuring goes into the requirements but not what the requirements are. If you had read the actual provision, it describes the idle power requirements. OEM's and System Integrators selling prebuilt computers are required to meet certain idle requirements. Having a more powerful GPU makes the idle requirements more lax not less. To meet the requirements essentially the PSU on the machine needs to meet a certain efficiency level.

    I suggest you watch the Gamers Nexus video linked multiple times in the thread because what you're describing isn't reality man.
     
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    Even a lie, could be a fact for your reality.
     

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