Some CPUs hitting 4ghz easy?

A few friends of mine with custom Pc's had asus mobo's and they said it had this utility which over clocks it all. And well they both got 4 ghz stable in less than a minute on their cpus, after stressing it out, it worked fine. Please fill on from here? Their CPU's i know were at stock 3 ghz intel cpu's of course, although amd's new true quad cores will rock the house.

 

its never a good idea to oc via software.the only truly stable oc you can hope to maintain is thru the bios.otherwise the chipset will adjust your voltages to ridiculous levels.it sounds like your friends need to do some research before they wreck something.

 

i second that. we were all noobs someday mate

 

ASUS AI is for people that don't know how to overclock properly - you tell it to reach 20% overclock and it automagically adjusts everything to do so, there's no skill in it, there's no learning curve, it's just a setting in the BIOS that does it all for you. LAME if you ask me.

True overclocking is an art. It takes loads of patience, practice and immense amounts of reading to fully understand what's going on with each component and just what each component's maximum levels are.

I've been overclocking for years (as you can see in my sig) and I actually take a little offense to people that brag about how 'wicked fast' their rig is after setting loose an automatic overclock setting...that's not overclocking at all.

So, from 3GHz to 4GHz, they've gained 1GHz in CPU cycles...ok, but not a big deal. I've got an Opteron 165 (1.8GHz) overclocked to 3.2GHz - that's 1.4GHz (a 75% increase) - impressive, but the real overclocking is in the RAM - I'm pulling 583MHz out of DDR400 RAM...ya can't do that with an auto setting!!! I've got nothing more than Corsair XMS3202 DDR400 Sticks (2 X 1GB each) - I've properly tweaked every single latency so it's the lowest timing for the MHz I'm pulling out of it. - It's not that special of RAM - I've pulled 550MHz out of Kingston DDR400 ValueRAM...all you gotta know is *how*, and there isn't a single setting in *any* BIOS that's going to do that for you.
My RAM is running at 8400+ MB/s read, 7600+ MB/s write and 8600+ MB/s copy at 50.0ns...right on par with some of the best DDR800 RAM...

Anyway, sorry for the rant. I love to overclock, I love to teach, and I love to learn...setting AUTO in BIOS is not any of the above.

Psychlone

 

Using software to overclock is the fastest way to breaking something.

 

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question. why is you want to run your ram synchronous with fsb, ie 1:1? if running at 5:4 @ 400fsb is a weakness of the nforce mobo i can understand, but otherwise...at the end of the day overclocking cpu is just a small part of a bigger picture. you should really google guides to overclocking...thats a start of course...and then after you've read everything you can find over and over..and still don't understand a certain thing, ask questions backed with some kind of understanding...not only does it make questions easier to answer for people, but it also gives the impression you are actually interested in what you are doing...and usually thats enough for others to go the extra mile for you, and help you more than just answering one question.

you seem to be running at 3.4ghz at the moment, on air cooling on an e6600 thats already plenty good, you need to research the weaknesses and strengths of your hardware, and take it from there...myself ive never used an nvidia based motherboard.....i've always used intel as I use my pc for video encoding/editing/CAD also.

 

The problem with using auto-overclocking utilities is, you don't know what its doing, so you don't know if it is giving everything max volts, or not enough, also an auto-overclocking program doesn't know anything of temperature, so just because its says you can hit 4GHz, that's no indication that at 4GHz your temps will be acceptable. If it were don't you think everyone would have their proc's at 4GHz?

 

wow u really know your stuff.

 

asus would crash and burn before it ever hit 4g with at suite ****

 

I think maybe there is greater variation with these core 2s. My E6600 is choking after 3.2 GHz on high-end water, but Anandtech had them running at 4.0 GHz on air, same motherboard. And that (along with some other who seem similarly afflcited) seems to me a larger variation than I'm accustomed to seeing with other processor lines. But maybe there are some hidden variables I'm missing here, who knows...

 

1:1 was a mistake . I ment in sync mode which is obviously a bit easier to achieve. :smoke:

Anyways, i googled some guides on oc with my motherboard and found i needed to increase the vtt voltage to achieve a stable oc. Increased it, and im now running at 3.6 at 1.52 volts. It was hitting around 67c under orthos so im going to have to tone it down before i fry it .

 

as with all overclocking adventures, your mileage may not vary, it will. As previously stated, using software to overclock is not a very wise thing to do. People who have not done the research are not perse dumb just uninformed to the dangers involved in doing this.

It is easier to break something doing it this way. It is always highly recommended to do all your overclocking via the bios and only after you've done some research on how to get it done. Understanding what you're doing will take you much further in one aspect of not any other and that's the longevity of your system you spent money to play with.

One of the things most people get upset with or obsessed with is the "well how come my buddy got this overclock with the same exact set as me and I can't get near". Well one thing that will always get you is the CPU stepping. You may have the same exact CPU from the same store and even bought em' at the same time. Doesn't mean that they came from the same batch. This will heavily determine your overclocking limits from the jump.

As well the interaction through the mobo between CPU and Mem can determine your overall overclock on the CPU. Just cause your memory is great does not mean that you're CPU will respond in kind.

The quality of all your components, memory, mobo, cpu, cooling, and least taken in to importance by many, your power supply. All these must be up to the task your asking them to perform.

I had a s754 3400 that did 2.6ghz all day long on slightly better than stock air cooling. I took a power hit and had to get another that did the same. I "upgraded" to a 3700 and can't get that thing stable .01ghz over the stock 2.4ghz no matter what I do. Turns out the CPU just isn't up to doing anything but it's rated job. I've tested every single other component on other friends systems with damn good results so it was the one thing holding me back.

Mind you I've been doing this for a while and have backed off since i'm deployed in the military for a while. I've had an old AMD JUIHB 1700+ that is rated at 1.49ghz doing 2.4 all day every day. It was carefull selection of compoents and the luck of a mom and pop shop that had a bin of cpus I could go through and get the exact stepping I wanted to work with.

Don't get upset if you don't get to the levels of your friends right now. Do it the right way and then when you get it stable enough to run every single stress test program out there do the same on thier systems with thier "super duper xtreme overclocking software". You may be surprised to find that they may not be stable on all the stress test progs you used and may be even slower due to memory timings and such on other benchmarks.

Thier software super overclocks may be useless in the point that your carefully dialed in 3.6ghz setup may be noticably or even significantly faster than thier 4ghz loose setups. You will also have the comfort of knowing what's going on in your system and feel safe that you know what voltages, timings, and exact stable temps are happening.

No use bragging about that slower 4ghz system when something goes poof and you need to buy some more stuff

 

it really depends on the cpu its self p4 sould have no prob hiting 4 gig but who cares they are weak 4 g c2d stable like 10 hours would be something to see on air and with asus o/c deal

 

i suppose the old saying goes...."You've got to crawl before you can walk and you've got to walk before you can run"

 

I third that. My core 2 duo E6600 do 4194Mhz on AIR but only tru fine tuning and tweaking the bios to get it stable for benchies.

 

i would like to ask a few questions if you can spare the time.

1=is 1:1 ram ratio better if the mhz is 970 and i can get 1053 stable from running 1:2?

i have gotten my ram from 800 dual channel to 1053 4-4-4-12 dual channel 1T

stable 8 hrs orthos

i think this is good but dont i want 1333 mhz to run with the fsb of my new e6550?

i know this ram will not do that but in general isnt that what i want?


also for ddr2 is higher frequency better or tighter timings?

can i undervolt ram safely?

and lastly i can get to a fsb of 480 which brings me up to around 3.3 ghz and be stable all night in orthos with only 1 bump in voltage to the cpu

if i take it to 485 i am unstable ,i have taken voltage up to 1.39 but still no good and i do not want to be that high anyways.although i am not sure what is to high an what is not

ty

 

Higher frequency its faster and better than thighter timings , it scales better , theres an old article about that on anandtech. Here:http://www.anandtech.com/memory/showdoc.aspx?i=2900&p=6
Good Day.

 

dude, i would love to know where u live, if ur not far from my place, trust me im bringing my pc over :cheers:

 

Take a tent cuz it'll be awhile. Mad overclocks like Psy's take some time to work out.