softmod 5900xt to quadro3000£¬ seems im the luck one

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  1. AlecRyben

    AlecRyben Ancient Guru

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    1. Yes, NV35+resistor moving = NV35GL chip

    2. Yes, no need of resistor moving on NV30 since that chip is absolutely identical to NV30GL - the difference is in the PCB resistor configuration that provides PCI-ID. The new Quadro FX 4000 also has an identical chip to 6800 Ultra, the difference is again in the PCB resistor configuration.
     
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  2. a9498383

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    thats faast , thanks alec

    let me get that right , the PCB resistor configuration your talking about is related to software ?

    Say i got a MSI 5800 ultra, I DO NOT need to change any hardware, but only the PCB config which is software related. is that correct ?
     
  3. AlecRyben

    AlecRyben Ancient Guru

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    There is one famous equation in computer science that says:
    Software = Hardware
    Nobody knows exactly what resistor blocks on the PCB define the PCI-ID, that's why there is no perfect hardmod yet. The softquadro patches that Unwinder produced were an override in the drivers, so they don't do additional checks of the PCB and GPU resistors and accept whatever info NVStrap is giving them as true.
    So once again, the full ID of the card is made by resistor blocks on the GPU and on the PCB. The resistors on the GPU were easily found out by comparing a naked GPUs of a GeForce and a Quadro card. But the PCB resistors are much more difficult to identify (probably hidden under some chip).
     
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    Originally posted by a9498383

    >2. If i get any 5800 will i get an identical quadro after the mod? or do some of them need resistor changing ?

    FX5800 R689 ---> R693 & R661 ---> R658

    Chip name = Quadro FX2000
    Vendor ID = 10DE
    Device ID = 0308
     

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    :) i'm a bit new to electrical terms, do u mean that i need to change these resistors ?

    i hope i dont need to hardware-mod the 5800
     
  6. loop29

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    You tried that on your card! That´s pretty new information for me.
    Can anybody second those resistor shifts to be correct?

    regards
     
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    im getting a bit confused now, i was going to get a card that i can later quadro it without no hardware changes at all (resistor moving..etc)

    i thought a 5800 would do fine with software modding only

    but now i really don't know ...
     
  8. loop29

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    It would be softmoddable too, but only with 45.28 drivers and some others I don´t remember right now. So you would be limited to 45.28 until something new appears.

    regards
     
  9. AlecRyben

    AlecRyben Ancient Guru

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    Don't be confused, because if the resistor relocations on the FX5800 (R689 ---> R693 & R661 ---> R658) are correct, it means there is a perfect Quadro FX 2000 hardmod that will make the card behave exactly as a real Quadro (newest drivers, Linux drivers, Gelato and so on).

    Can we have a confirmation on this one? If this is true, i am buying a 5800 Ultra ASAP! :D
     
  10. rui0317

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    Some people have tried it before , but , not succeed yet .
    http://bbs.hxsd.com.cn/post/view?bid=5&id=3462226&sty=1&tpg=1&ppg=2&age=0#3462226

    MOMOTO is right , replace those two resistors can chang the PCI Device ID , but still , limited to 45.28.
     

  11. AlecRyben

    AlecRyben Ancient Guru

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    If this resistor move changes PCI-ID, do you still need NVStrap? Does a modified card work with softquadro patched drivers only without NVStrap?

    It makes me think that if a PCB resistor mod like this eliminates the need for NVStrap and the GPU resistor mod eliminates the need for softquadro patching, we are probably getting somewhere...?
     
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    After moved those two resistors , it dosn't need to patch the driver , original v45.28 driver worked fine on these modified FX5800 , but the new drivers , you know , lock up .
     
  13. a9498383

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    thankyou so much guys for your help, especially AlecRyben.

    this may be the last two questions before i get my card :)

    1. supposing the "Asus V9900 5800FX non ultra" and the "Gainward FX PowerPack! Ultra/1300XT TV-DVI 256MB Golden Sample" are equal prices. which one is better when modded to a quadro ?

    2. we definetly know that ducados20's card is a NV35GL, from this page :

    http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=110812&perpage=&pagenumber=2

    does anyone know about the 1300XT card ? thats the link

    http://www.gainward.com/html/product/vga/fx/5900xt/1300tvdvi-gs.htm

    http://www.explosivelabs.com/reviews/gainward_1300xt_tvdvi/pg2.shtml

    http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/gainward-5900xt_2.html

    the only difference i know is that the 1300XT is 256mb, 1100Xt is 128mb
    but isn't the layout quite different ?
    i would like your suggestions please.
    Thanks :)
     
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  14. AlecRyben

    AlecRyben Ancient Guru

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    If the price was equal i would go for the 5900 256 mb card, since it has a newer chip (NV35>NV30) and bigger, faster memory (256bit, 256Mb compared to 128bit, 128Mb on the 5800)
    For all 59XX card from all manufacturers, only luck will decide whether you get a "plain" NV35 or a NV35GL, you will never know until you try softmoding (or remove the shim on the GPU to see if the resistors are in Quadro position or not).
     
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    does anyone know someone with this card and quadro modded it "gainward 1300XT golden sample" ,, perhaps in chinese/japanese forums ...
     

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    I bought last week Inno3d 5900 xt and Softmodded to Fx3000 I think sucess(?)

    The results in SpecV are much more than before, but the 3D mark 03 result are so much less than before. (before 5140, after 4000!!!) This is normaly?

    Some question:
    1. These score are good OR bad? (certainly the moddes scores)
    2. Can I profit (speed, stability, etc) if I hardmod my Card?
    3. If I want to hardmod my card, how Can I start?

    OK there is my scores (Spec Viewperf 7.1)

    Before:

    ---------- SUM_RESULTS\3DSMAX\SUMMARY.TXT
    3dsmax-02 Weighted Geometric Mean = 11.97

    ---------- SUM_RESULTS\DRV\SUMMARY.TXT
    drv-09 Weighted Geometric Mean = 36.30

    ---------- SUM_RESULTS\DX\SUMMARY.TXT
    dx-08 Weighted Geometric Mean = 43.24

    ---------- SUM_RESULTS\LIGHT\SUMMARY.TXT
    light-06 Weighted Geometric Mean = 11.43

    ---------- SUM_RESULTS\PROE\SUMMARY.TXT
    proe-02 Weighted Geometric Mean = 11.88

    ---------- SUM_RESULTS\UGS\SUMMARY.TXT
    ugs-03 Weighted Geometric Mean = 7.170

    AFTER:

    ---------- SUM_RESULTS\3DSMAX\SUMMARY.TXT
    3dsmax-02 Weighted Geometric Mean = 21.96

    ---------- SUM_RESULTS\DRV\SUMMARY.TXT
    drv-09 Weighted Geometric Mean = 121.1

    ---------- SUM_RESULTS\DX\SUMMARY.TXT
    dx-08 Weighted Geometric Mean = 112.6

    ---------- SUM_RESULTS\LIGHT\SUMMARY.TXT
    light-06 Weighted Geometric Mean = 24.34

    ---------- SUM_RESULTS\PROE\SUMMARY.TXT
    proe-02 Weighted Geometric Mean = 35.05

    ---------- SUM_RESULTS\UGS\SUMMARY.TXT
    ugs-03 Weighted Geometric Mean = 36.25
     
  17. AlecRyben

    AlecRyben Ancient Guru

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    Yes, It's normal to have lower 3DMark scores on a Quadro card.

    1. Results are good, you have a true Quadro clone (UGS & ProE scores prove that)
    2. No, no speed & stability difference. Your GPU is actually already "hardmoded" into a Quadro since it's a NV35GL.
    3. Since you already have a NV35GL GPU on the card, try using newer drivers with NVStrap only. Hardmodders usually claim success with that combo...?
     
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  18. a9498383

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    vsubaru

    results are good comparing to the real quadro FX 3000

    link 1
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    http://www.rendernode.com/articles.php?articleId=104&page=4

    link 2
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    http://www.hothardware.com/reviews/images/quadrofx3k/viewperfdrv09.png
    http://www.hothardware.com/reviews/images/quadrofx3k/viewperfproe.png
    from here : http://www.hothardware.com/hh_files/S&V/qfx3k(5).shtml

    link 3
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    http://www.digit-life.com/articles2/wc4-7210-vs-qfx3000/

    Congrats dude.

    ... still searching for guys with a "gainward 1300XT golden sample" to test the modding ...
     
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    one more thing i noticed, that this design layout on the Gainward 1300XT golden sample board is the same as the ASUS V9950 card (GeForce FX 5900), knowing that the ASUS v9950 was hardmodded by a user in this forum. does that mean that there is a probablity that this card must be hardmodded to work properly ?

    http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/gainward-5900xt_2.html

    showing the layout
     
  20. AlecRyben

    AlecRyben Ancient Guru

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    As i said before, it's all in the GPU, PCB type does not matter.
    If you're lucky you will get a NV35GL GPU, if not you will get a NV35.
     

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