Skyrim; help me get started

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  1. dchalf10

    dchalf10 Banned

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    I've decided to pick it up and needed some basic help with getting started.

    Can you give me some:

    * Basic tweaks ( draw distance/image quality )

    * Build tips; I don't know anything about smithing/forging etc

    Is there any skills that are basically essential to the enjoyment of the game. Should I focus on being able to build my own armour, If I don't take some kind of profession is the game much harder (#)

    * Armour mods ( the skimpier the better )


    #I'm new to this series, so I don't know anything about the non combat elements of the game.
     
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    *Basic tweaks ( draw distance/image quality )

    If not using any mods then go for ultra settings from the launcher but without AA/AF, force both of those from the driver and enable AO.

    Some options need to be added through the ini files, fortunately there's a mod that allows you to do that through a GUI.

    Elder Scrolls V Skyrim Tweaker by fallenzeraphine

    http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/downloads/file.php?id=809


    using above utility you could make the following changes.

    Display tab.

    shadows for trees/land = 1
    Blur deferred shadow mask = 6
    leave ipresent interval on (i.e =1)

    Water tab

    height/width = 1024
    all other options =1


    also you might want to take a look at the real lighting mod over at skyrim nexus to further improve image quality.

    Realistic Lighting With Customization by Pluto - 747823 - Leviathan1753 - Sydney666

    http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/downloads/file.php?id=7654


    If using texture mods (many available at skyrim nexus) I would recommend keeping AA to a minimum as vram will become a major concern and I would also recommend changing shadow map resolution to 2048 (high shadow quality), this can also be dome from the display tab of the ini tweaking utility linked above.


    * Build tips; I don't know anything about smithing/forging etc

    This would actually count as more of a spoiler, especially as you are new to the series so I would recommend you figure it out as you go along.


    * Armour mods ( the skimpier the better )

    Many, many of all varieties available at skyrim nexus. Just make sure you download nexus mod manager and it'll do the rest for you.


    #I'm new to this series, so I don't know anything about the non combat elements of the game.

    The only way to enjoy the game is to learn as you go along, though the many inventory/map/dialogue/quest elements are are of an extensive scale compared to almost any other game out there, you'll soon get the hang of it:)
     
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  3. dchalf10

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    Thanks a lot. I've just finished reading tweakguides, the nvidia tweak guide and hardcop's tweak guide and I made a list of the things I will change.

    iShadowMapResolution=8192
    fShadowDistance=8000
    bTreesReceiveShadows=1
    bDrawLandShadows=1
    fGrassStartFadeDistance=14000.0000
    iMinGrassSize=20
    fTreeLoadDistance=75000.0000
    fLODFadeOutMultObjects=30.0000
    fLODFadeOutMultItems=30.0000
    fLODFadeOutMultActors=30.0000
    fDefaultWorldFOV=90
    fDefault1stPersonFOV=90
    iWaterReflectHeight=1024
    iWaterReflectWidth=1024

    Also these, but I will have to test what values to set them to:

    fTreesMidLODSwitchDist=10000000.0000
    fBlockMaximumDistance=250000.0000
    fBlockLevel1Distance=70000.0000
    fBlockLevel0Distance=35000.0000
    fSplitDistanceMult=1.5000
    fSkyCellRefFadeDistance=150000.0000

    I hope I don't F up my character. I couldn't get in to oblivion because the combat was so clumsy, but they fixed it in skyrim so it should be fun....I wish I still had my 8gb of ram...I'm back to 4 as my other ram died...not good for modding.

    So crafting/smithing/forgint ( all whatever they call it ) is self explanatory?

    Can't wait to get a 670 for this game.
     
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    That's a lot of ini tweaks, careful with some as they tend to make the game prone to crash and generally add little in terms of image quality. Also the shadow map resolution is going to help reduce shadow blockiness but as the shadows are very blocky to begin with you'll only see a slight improvement and a massive increase in vram usage and drop in fps using shadow map resolution= 8192, possibly have your fps drop to single digits even with your current card.

    All that aside though, there's very little point in using anything over 4096 with any card, best thing to do would be to use 2048 or 4096 if you have the vram spare as there will be a 200-300MB difference between those options, and use the Blur deferred shadow mask option instead that I posted earlier as it will soften the edges of shadows and make it look better even at 2048 shadow map resolution with no loss in performance or increase in vram usage.
     

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    WhiteLightning Don Illuminati Staff Member

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    here are my settings, not sure how well they will work for you though. (think you need 8gb)

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    skyrim.ini
    Code:
    [General]
    sLanguage=ENGLISH
    uExterior Cell Buffer=36
    uGridsToLoad=5
    iNumHWThreads=8
    iPreloadSizeLimit=262144000
    
    [Display]
    fShadowLODMaxStartFade=1000.0
    fSpecularLODMaxStartFade=2000.0
    fLightLODMaxStartFade=3500.0
    iShadowMapResolutionPrimary=2048
    bAllowScreenshot=1
    fSunShadowUpdateTime=0.0025
    fSunUpdateThreshold=0.0025
    fShadowBiasScale=0.6
    
    [Audio]
    fMusicDuckingSeconds=6.0
    fMusicUnDuckingSeconds=8.0
    fMenuModeFadeOutTime=3.0
    fMenuModeFadeInTime=1.0
    
    [Grass]
    bAllowCreateGrass=1
    bAllowLoadGrass=0
    
    [GeneralWarnings]
    SGeneralMasterMismatchWarning=One or more plugins could not find the correct versions of the master files they depend on. Errors may occur during load or game play. Check the "Warnings.txt" file for more information.
    
    [Archive]
    sResourceArchiveList=Skyrim - Misc.bsa, Skyrim - Shaders.bsa, Skyrim - Textures.bsa, Skyrim - Interface.bsa, Skyrim - Animations.bsa, Skyrim - Meshes.bsa, Skyrim - Sounds.bsa
    sResourceArchiveList2=Skyrim - Voices.bsa, Skyrim - VoicesExtra.bsa
    
    [Combat]
    fMagnetismStrafeHeadingMult=0.0
    fMagnetismLookingMult=0.0
    
    [Papyrus]
    fPostLoadUpdateTimeMS=500.0
    bEnableLogging=0
    bEnableTrace=0
    bLoadDebugInformation=0
    iMinMemoryPageSize=100000
    iMaxMemoryPageSize=10000000
    iMaxAllocatedMemoryBytes=3000000000
    [Water]
    bReflectLODObjects=1
    bReflectLODLand=1
    bReflectSky=1
    bReflectLODTrees=1
    [HAVOK]
    iNumThreads=8
    
    SkyrimPrefs
    Code:
    [General]
    fBrightLightColorB=1.0000
    fBrightLightColorG=1.0000
    fBrightLightColorR=1.0000
    iStoryManagerLoggingEvent=-1
    bEnableStoryManagerLogging=0
    [Imagespace]
    bDoDepthOfField=1
    iRadialBlurLevel=2
    [Display]
    iBlurDeferredShadowMask=3
    fInteriorShadowDistance=3000.0000
    fShadowDistance=8000.0000
    iShadowMapResolutionSecondary=2048
    iShadowMapResolutionPrimary=4096
    iShadowSplitCount=2
    iMaxAnisotropy=16
    fLeafAnimDampenDistEnd=4600.0000
    fLeafAnimDampenDistStart=3600.0000
    fTreesMidLODSwitchDist=10000000.0000
    fGamma=1.0000
    fDecalLOD2=1500.0000
    fDecalLOD1=1000.0000
    fSpecularLODStartFade=2000.0000
    fShadowLODStartFade=200.0000
    fLightLODStartFade=3500.0000
    iTexMipMapMinimum=0
    iTexMipMapSkip=0
    iWaterMultiSamples=4
    iMultiSample=8
    iShadowMode=3
    bTreesReceiveShadows=1
    bDrawLandShadows=1
    bFull Screen=1
    iSize H=1200
    iSize W=1920
    fMeshLODFadePercentDefault=1.2000
    fMeshLODFadeBoundDefault=256.0000
    fMeshLODLevel2FadeTreeDistance=2048.0000
    fMeshLODLevel1FadeTreeDistance=2844.0000
    fMeshLODLevel2FadeDist=10000000.0000
    fMeshLODLevel1FadeDist=10000000.0000
    iScreenShotIndex=2
    bShadowMaskZPrepass=0
    bMainZPrepass=0
    iMaxSkinDecalsPerFrame=25
    iMaxDecalsPerFrame=100
    bFloatPointRenderTarget=0
    sD3DDevice="NVIDIA GeForce GTX 580"
    bFXAAEnabled=0
    iShadowMapResolution=4096
    fShadowBiasScale=0.1500
    iShadowMaskQuarter=4
    iAdapter=0
    iPresentInterval=1
    iShadowFilter=3
    bTransparencyMultisampling=1
    bDrawShadows=1
    [Grass]
    b30GrassVS=0
    fGrassStartFadeDistance=7000.0000
    fGrassMaxStartFadeDistance=7000.0000
    fGrassMinStartFadeDistance=0.0000
    [MAIN]
    bGamepadEnable=1
    bCrosshairEnabled=1
    fHUDOpacity=1.0000
    bSaveOnPause=1
    bSaveOnTravel=1
    bSaveOnWait=1
    bSaveOnRest=1
    fSkyCellRefFadeDistance=150000.0000
    [GamePlay]
    bShowFloatingQuestMarkers=1
    bShowQuestMarkers=1
    iDifficulty=2
    [Interface]
    bDialogueSubtitles=1
    bGeneralSubtitles=1
    fMouseCursorSpeed=1.0000
    bShowCompass=1
    [Controls]
    fGamepadHeadingSensitivity=1.0000
    fMouseHeadingSensitivity=0.0125
    bAlwaysRunByDefault=1
    bInvertYValues=0
    bGamePadRumble=1
    bMouseAcceleration=0
    [Particles]
    iMaxDesired=750
    [SaveGame]
    fAutosaveEveryXMins=15.0000
    [AudioMenu]
    fAudioMasterVolume=1.0000
    fVal7=1.0000
    uID7=0
    fVal6=1.0000
    uID6=0
    fVal5=1.0000
    uID5=0
    fVal4=1.0000
    uID4=0
    fVal3=1.0000
    uID3=94881
    fVal2=0.4000
    uID2=466532
    fVal1=1.0000
    uID1=554685
    fVal0=0.8000
    uID0=1007612
    [Clouds]
    fCloudLevel2Distance=262144.0000
    fCloudLevel1Distance=32768.0000
    fCloudLevel0Distance=16384.0000
    fCloudNearFadeDistance=9000.0000
    [TerrainManager]
    fTreeLoadDistance=75000.0000
    fBlockMaximumDistance=250000.0000
    fBlockLevel1Distance=70000.0000
    fBlockLevel0Distance=35000.0000
    fSplitDistanceMult=1.5000
    bShowLODInEditor=0
    [NavMesh]
    fObstacleAlpha=0.5000
    fCoverSideHighAlpha=0.8000
    fCoverSideLowAlpha=0.6500
    fEdgeFullAlpha=1.0000
    fEdgeHighAlpha=0.7500
    fEdgeLowAlpha=0.5000
    fTriangleFullAlpha=0.7000
    fTriangleHighAlpha=0.3500
    fTriangleLowAlpha=0.2000
    fLedgeBoxHalfHeight=25.0000
    fEdgeDistFromVert=10.0000
    fEdgeThickness=10.0000
    fPointSize=2.5000
    [Trees]
    bRenderSkinnedTrees=1
    uiMaxSkinnedTreesToRender=20
    [Decals]
    uMaxDecals=1000
    bDecals=1
    bSkinnedDecals=1
    uMaxSkinDecals=100
    uMaxSkinDecalsPerActor=60
    [LOD]
    fLODFadeOutMultObjects=15.0000
    fLODFadeOutMultItems=15.0000
    fLODFadeOutMultActors=15.0000
    fLODFadeOutMultSkyCell=1.0000
    [Launcher]
    bEnableFileSelection=1
    bShowAllResolutions=1
    uLastAspectRatio=4
    [BlurShaderHDR]
    bDoHighDynamicRange=1
    [BlurShader]
    bUseBlurShader=0
    [Water]
    iWaterReflectHeight=1024
    iWaterReflectWidth=1024
    bUseWaterDisplacements=1
    bUseWaterRefractions=1
    bUseWaterReflections=1
    bUseWaterDepth=1
    

    personally i stay away from the enb mods, cant stand the looks and the huge framedrop.
     
  6. dchalf10

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    Thanks for the ini. I stay away from conversion mods as well. Generally most graphics mods take away from the art style of the game. ENB etc always have insane contrast and saturation etc. Just one look at their screenshots is enough to convince me I don't like it. I usually prefer to tweak the game itself.

    I've never yet found an armour mod I liked in any game either, they always look ridiculous.

    @Blackzero

    Yeah, I never got Fallout 3 stable even after years of tweaking, even if it wouldn't crash for 4 hours...it would still eventually crash. But it did that with or without tweaks so who knows. The main thing to stay clear of is the 'uGridstoload' setting as it's irreversible and if it's unstable...then your save game is a loss. With those settings if it's unstable I can simply delete the ini files and restore the old ones as vanilla.

    I found the ipreload and interior/exterior cell values caused the most crashing in FO3 so I'm leaving them be.

    As for the 8k shadows. HardCOP did a tweak guide and they lost 1% frame rate going from 4k to 8k and it only dropped from 51frames down to 50 frames at 1600p with a gtx580 on ultra so I don't think the hit is as bad in Skyrim as it is in other games.

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    In fallout 3 going from 4k to 8k did what you said with the single digits.
     
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  7. mitzi76

    mitzi76 Ancient Guru

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    when you get it installed go through the mod workshop...there's def a few worth getting.

    you cant really mess up a character. I preferred to go sneaking and archery.

    Blacksmithing and enchanting need quite a while to lvl up but there's a few mods which show you where the mines are. also there's one for making wooden staves...takes time to chop the wood ofc. (you can make cheap staffs/daggers/leather bracers to lvl up quick).

    alchemy takes longer...gonna install a mod today to speed it up a bit.

    again some mods def improve armour ect and if you go archery allow you to make better arrows...

    apart from that not much else to add really...talk/explore/quest!
     
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    dchalf10 Banned

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    I think I'm going to be confused as hell about alchemy, blacksmithing and enchanting. It all sound pretty deep.

    I think I'm only really interested in Blacksmithing. Upgrading armour sound pretty awesome. I think I'm going to go full beserker/barbarian with max focus on melee.
     
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    Don't know where and how hardocp got that 1fps loss from but me and a few other members went through all those options in the skyrim thread and increasing shadow map resolution to 8192 cause vram usage to increase by 500MB and caused a massive drop in fps, with little improvement in quality.

    anyway, try it for yourself.

    also yes, cell size changes should definitely be avoided but ini changes in general need to be done cautiously, also I can play skyrim with over 100 mods and the mentioned ini changes for hours without crashing so the game itself isn't unstable at all on my end. Also ugrid size changes can be reversed without losing a save game, but I won't get into that.

    just letting you know so you don't ruin hours of gameplay troubleshooting.


    Also skyrim has some of the best looking armour mods you'll ever see, so I'd forget about not having ever found an armour mod you liked.

    wait and see.


    I'd keep an open mind. Everyone has different tastes and likes and unfortunately for skyrim most screenshots posted using enb are pretty badly done so I can understand why some people have a bad impression of the mod even before trying it but there's lots of different enb settings that look quite impressive, just a matter of finding the ones you like.
     
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    For skimpy armor you want this:

    NSFW http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/downloads/file.php?id=2666 NSFW

    Tons of armor mods and everything else are all linked too in the main page of that mod.

    If you prefer a heavier does of realism (like me) then I recommend this:

    http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/downloads/file.php?id=10277

    I also am in agreement that ENB looks like total crap. With that in mind, I use the following 3 mods for my main graphics improvements.

    http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/downloads/file.php?id=13268 Major improvement to everything related to water.

    http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/downloads/file.php?id=607 Keeps the look of the "vanilla" game, but with a 4x improvement in texture sizes and really makes the game allot prettier and sharper. *Big time VRAM hog, I hit 1900mb VRAM usage running this.*

    http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/downloads/file.php?id=13531 best lighting mod out there --- a must have imo.

    I also highly recommend:

    http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/downloads/file.php?id=9571 Remove Interior Fog

    http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/downloads/file.php?id=9930 Revamped Exterior Fog

    http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/downloads/file.php?id=2674 Improved NPC Clothing.

    http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/downloads/file.php?id=14037 Ultimate Follower Overhaul

    http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/downloads/file.php?id=1002 Jaysus Swords

    http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/downloads/file.php?id=8655 Static mesh Improvement Mod

    http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/downloads/file.php?id=3621 Bellyaches Animal Pack

    http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/downloads/file.php?id=13036 Oblivious Horses

    Probably some others that aren't coming to mind right now, but that handful of mods will go a long way towards making the game prettier, but also sticking to the general feel of the original default version of the game.

    *In addition to the .ini tweaks mentioned above, setting "UGridsToLoad =7" really helps to decrease the pop in effect of distant objects. - Definitely increases VRAM usage though.
     

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    dchalf10 Banned

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    Thanks for all the links. Skyrim is f-ing epic.

    I just finished my first optional quest and I'm 5 hours into the game. Lol.

    After the first mandatory quest line when you go to the town I heard the guy at the store say that he needed his golden claw back...so off I went. Here I am at 4am having just finished it.

    Other RPG devs should be ashamed of themselves. I saw more effort put into that massive level alone than the entire game design in Dragon Age 2.

    That was the longest quest I've ever done in a game.

    I have a feeling my life just disappeared. Not to worry, I have lots of time off and I was experiencing a gaming drought.

    Skyrim looks amazing. It runs at 60 frames constant on ultra with 8msaa and a few tweaks here and there for higher draw distance.

    Maxes out Vram but it doesn't cause the game to stutter of FPS to drop so I think that's just the engine using all the vram it can for streaming.
     
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    I had twice the fun on my second playthrough when I switched from heavy armor/one-handed weapon/shield to a light armor/archery character with an emphasis on sneaking. It's a blast to pick off an entire cave full of bandits from the shadows before any of them has even seen you. The time-slowing archery perks rock as well.

    :rock:
     
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    :O

    Bullet time in skyrim, that's awesome. I'm going light armour dual wield. But I can always remove the perks with the console and check out archery.
     
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    it's quite easy to get alchemy upto around 80 ~ 81 without even eating anything or making a potion.
    Talk to the shop keeper in Whiterun that sells alchemy stuff.
    She can train you upto level 75, there's a few alchemy skill books you'll come accross and you'll be on 80+ achemy quite easy.

    Basically buy a Alchemy training of her, crouch and pickpocket the money back..
    When you have bought 5 training lessons from here then go into your skills menu, exit skill menu and then buy another lesson... repeat it over.

    While your pickpocketing her your pickpocket skill also raises.
    Basically you'll level up every five lessons up until you hit around 65 ~ 75 skill level in alchemy.

    You can do the same with just about anyone that offfers training in skills, buy a lesson, pickpocket the money back.
    eg: WoodElf in Riverside offers archery lesson upto level 50 archery skill.
    Go see Angi and you can get another 7 archery skills for shooting some practice targets.

    Smithing is easier to just make Iron Daggers or Leather Sheaves..
    If you find an enchanted anything with Banish then break it down on the Enchanting table.. Enchant all those worthless Iron Daggers you made and they are worth a mint.
    Same if you find something with sneak enchanment, break it down on the enchanting table and enchant the worthless leather sheaves you've made, adds nicely to their resale value...

    If you get it to that point then you can make iron daggers, enchant them and sell them to the Blacksmith or Shop trader..
    Buy any leather, ore, rifined ore they have.. wash rinse repeat..
    Before long your Smithing skill is right up there and you enchanting skill is up there and also your Speech skill also climbs while your doing it.
     

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    As of patch 1.5 making Iron daggers is no longer the most efficient way of leveling smithing. Infact its down right horrible. Keep whatever jewels you find and craft jewelry. If you dont have any jewels just make the rings as it crafts 2 at a time. Another thing you can do which will raise your smithing very quickly is to get all the smeltable metal from dwarven ruins and make dwarven bows. you'll be making 30 bows at a time and your smithing will be leveled before you know it.

    My biggest tip for you however is to not become too obsessed over leveling smithing and enchanting. It's easy to become so overpowered that killing even dragons and giants becomes a dull effortless task. I would say pick one or the other, or play on master difficulty.
     
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    Just play the game and enjoy it - if you rush right away to do whatever exploits people have found with one of the crafting systems or whatever, then you're just going to lessen you enjoyment of the game. Play it as things come to you and have fun. ;)

    *my 2 cents*
     
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    ])rStrangelove Ancient Guru

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    NOOOOO, i just sneaked right past all of those gears & stuff, thought they were useless and just slow me down ROFL :D

    Gotta go back i guess. Thx


    I'm playing on Normal difficulty, but with this Levelling Stopper mod from the Steam workshop. It's really hard, up until level 20 everyone & his dog just kicks your ass if you're not sneaking. Even a bandit highwayman is like an invincible warrior to you when you're level 10.



    Tip: those mud crabs are perfect to get your blocking skill high without the danger of loosing the fight because they're too slow. Blocking damage is the most important thing in Skyrim IMO, without quick training any fool with a big axe will cut you in half with 2 strikes.
     
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    You guys rock. I guess when I finally start playing Skyrim, I will have this thread to look over. :D
     
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    Tried out that GridstoLoad=7 , works like a charm (WinXP 32bit)
     

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