Six cores Ryzen processors Possible

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  1. Hilbert Hagedoorn

    Hilbert Hagedoorn Don Vito Corleone Staff Member

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    So we have posted a thing or two already about Ryzen being released as 4 and 8 core processors. AMD will release an 4 and 8-core model with and without hyper-threading. ...

    Six cores Ryzen processors Possible
     
  2. Texter

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    Maybe the 6-core can be pencil modded into an 8-core...
     
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    Good news, that will allow for robust product pricing.
     
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    6C/12T and 8C/8T will be too close with eachothers performance to make them priced differently (if they both come out). If SMT gain is under 33% 8C/8T will be faster, and if it will over 33% 6C/12T will be faster. So basicly most games will have 8C/8T faster, but other applications like blender where SMT gain is close to 50% 6C/12T will be faster.

    Kinda makes it hard for pricing and marketing, which one is actually the faster one?
     

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    Yes it will be a little bit complicate, anyway in case to case. But theres another factor it seems for the differentiation to take in account... Clock speed.

    Actually other site report 3.7ghz for the 6cores, and 4ghz+ for the 8cores ( 16thread ).

    The 6cores have a codename “ZD3301BBM6IF4_37/33_Y" ( 6 = cores, 37/33 = turbo / base clock )
     
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    At first thought I was thinking the same thing, however now I actually believe the 6core part would actually make marketing easier. Having more and different modes (unlike intel with basically 3 models) makes it easier, 4c4t < 4c8t < 6c6t < 6c8t < 8c8t < 8c16t, and if they make the price of the 4c4t slightly lower than the i3s and then the price of the 8c16t slightly higher than the i7 then this would mean starting from 120$ and reaching 400$ then this would allow them to have a different product within 50$ of the next. Now add in slightly higher clocked and different binned so that you have either 2 or 3 of each of the mentioned models above and then you have a full range of CPUs from 100-400$ each within 20$. Basically you'd cover the whole market.
     
  7. nz3777

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    6/12 could be a potential contender against intel if the $ is right.I am interested in that and the 8/16 Just waiting on prices and some Benchmarks from actuall users. This is good news.
     
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    This isn't Intel, and it isn't literally Hyper Threading. From what I heard, what AMD is doing is a different approach. Don't forget, even the "8-core" FX CPUs were actually 4c/8t. The only difference is the additional 4 threads were still based on physical hardware and truly worked in parallel, whereas Intel's HT basically "re-uses" the same hardware and worked in serial.

    Regardless, even if this was Intel we were talking about and what you said were true, then why does Intel have Xeon chips that are 6c/12t and 8c/8t?



    Anyway, I'm not surprised about the release of 6-core chips. Just as I said in the other article, it would be an economically horrible choice to only do 4 and 8 core models, when you consider the inevitable errors in the manufacturing process.
     
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  9. PrMinisterGR

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    I somehow can't see AMD disabling HT or any other processor feature.
     
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    we are almost sure that amd will release 8c/16c 8c/8t 4c/4t 4c/8t .... a cpu 6c/12t would be really close to the performance of 8c/8t no ? on a multi-thread applications that is ... and the 6c/6t would be a bit over 4c/4t no ?
     

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    Yeah, for AMD (or any manufacturer) a situation of a "with just a bit more money you can get a better model" is the best. If the steps are too big, more people will simply go for the lower/cheaper model because the budgets of normal people aren't infinite (no matter what Intel believes).
     
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    Hope these rumors are true but regardless i'm really excited to see more news about these chips, everyone has been waiting!!!!
     
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    I'd say, assuming your question is rhetorical, :) that suitability would depend upon how efficiently HT utilized. There are use examples were an 8/8 is more efficient than using 6/12HT.
     
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    I think that 4/4 (cheapest)-> 4/8 (still cheap, hopefully) -> 6/12 (midrange) -> 8/16 (beast) would make sense.

    Personally what I'm really really looking for is for low powered APUs so that I can upgrade my aging slow as a turtle AMD E-450 :roll:
    Sadly I'm probably gonna have to wait until Christmas or something like that, because I'm sure that the first APUs to come out are going to be the desktop ones, or mid to high powered laptop ones.
     
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    Chart is weird, 6800k is much faster than 7700k an extra couple hundred mhz makes it comparable to 6900k?
     
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    I'm worried for this product.
     
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  19. thatguy91

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    That table is questionable. Firstly, why would a R7 Pro 1700 be positioned below the R7 1700?. Secondly, the R7 1700 competes against the i7 7700 (locked), and above that you have the 1700X, 1800, and 1800X, the latter competing against the i7-6900K (much faster than an i7 7700), and yet the base frequency range for all of these as well as the core and thread count is the same.

    I also don't like the naming schedule, it would create confusion with their video cards. At the very least they could have called them Z3/Z5/Z7, etc, for Zen, not R for Radeon like the video cards.
     
  20. -Tj-

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    it says base from 3Ghz to 3.6Ghz, some models will have base 3.0ghz, some 3.3, 3.5, 3.6


    Now that you mention Pro before normal number, maybe they mixed up a bit?

    Imo normal name is kind of like intel non-k, Pro higher clocked while X better overclocker with higherst possible base freq.
     

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