Seagate launches HDD that perform asSATA SSD and capacity of up to 18TB

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  1. Hilbert Hagedoorn

    Hilbert Hagedoorn Don Vito Corleone Staff Member

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    vestibule Maha Guru

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    Hmm, I would definably have to see a taxing review of this drive before I would consider buying.
    Looks too good to be true.
    So, data centre specific. Well, are they?
     
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    These have 2 individual actuators so read and write operations can be performed in parallel, it still doesn't have the random performance of an ssd, but for contiguous data activity it can perform quite well.
     
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    Feels like HDD tech is on life support now. The only advantage they still have is price / GB. I've been using 8TB SATA SSD as a storage drive for a while and it's been a revelation. It can also double down as a Steam library drive if my main NMVe one is getting full. Surprisingly I found that there is very little difference for gaming between 980 Pro and 870 QVO.
     

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    Silva Ancient Guru

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    Diminishing returns. Even the worst SSD is miles better than your average HDD just because of access time and random reads. Anyone will notice.
    I used to take almost a full day to clean install windows and all apps using HDD, I can do that in under one hour with SSD.
     
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    I will NEVER ever do offline backups on a SSD, thank you very much.
     
  7. NewTRUMP Order

    NewTRUMP Order Master Guru

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    So, you are the guy still buying hd's.;)
     
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    This ! The reason ssds feel so snappy is their access times the sequencials even at 300 mb for most use cases are enough .
     
  9. JOHN30011887

    JOHN30011887 Master Guru

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    I see there still doing that helium filled, so i will never go back to hdd's for anything, even my backup drives are now sata ssd, while i stick to the tlc nvme drives for my os and game only, cant stand qlc cheap rubbish drives, just not for me.
     
  10. heffeque

    heffeque Ancient Guru

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    I'm still using HD... for my NAS.
    Can't get a 6 TB SSD for 160 € that's for sure. I'd go SSD if 6TB or 8 TB were below 250-300 € (for the silence, DSM 7.1 SSD cache is already doing a great job at keeping things snappy).
     
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  11. TheDeeGee

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    Yes, for offline cold storage backups... which is what i said already...

    My PC has a NVME and two SSDs.

    Not gonna bother explaining why to someone why clearly doesn't want to understand.
     
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    That's why I buy the cheapest SSDs for my gaming PC and server - storage is rarely the bottleneck for what those do so why spend extra on performance I won't use? If I'm transferring many GBs of data (which rarely happens), I don't mind waiting another few seconds.

    Why? I know older and modern cheap SSDs are not reliable but if you perform regular backups, there should be no risk in lost data.
    I assume you are not referring to archiving, where I agree SSDs aren't a sensible choice.
     
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  13. D1stRU3T0R

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    Out of curiosity, when will Sata 3/AHCI (6GB) be saturated?
     
  14. Mufflore

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    I use a helium 18TB drive for things that dont need fast access or high end DTR. ie video, music, office files, backups ...
    Also for game catalogue storage I'm not playing but might want to fire up occasionally.
    Max sustained DTR is around 280MB/s, lowest 160MB/s, great drive.


    Nice, I've been waiting well over 20 years for this to hit mainstream.
    Seek times should reduce with good file place management, though not to SSD level as you pointed out. ie heads could move less distance per operation and one head actuator can operate while the other is in use. Better for both seek and DTR if even more actuators are added.
    I imagine it also reduces inertia generated by a single monolithic head array moving in one go, seeks should be quieter and need less damping. Though higher freqs of operation may add their own challenge.

    My hope, it doesnt bring reliability issues, only time will tell.
     
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    How much did you pay for a 8TB SSD?

    I use 1TB Sabrent Rocket Gen 4 M.2 for Windows and another same of 2TB size for a fast access storage drive, but most of my storage is still 3.5" Enterprise SATA storage - currently 40TB on main machine, and another 34TB on movie server.

    I just looked and same Sabrent drives I use in 8TB size costs €1800... so nobody is going to be using that for mass storage for a long time.

    Yes speed is impossible to notice - I didn't notice any change at all going from an ancient cheap 2.5" SATA SSD to the Gen 4 M.2 rocket either!
     
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    There is nothing wrong with helium drives.
     
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    545MB/s is the technical limit after encoding and transaction overheads.
     
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    Yes, SSD still can't be usable with my needs, so every disk above 4 Tera is still HDD for me.
     
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    I'd like to understand, i mean im also using HDD as cold backup since its mile cheaper but im wondering what else are you finding appealing?
     

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