Seagate is working on 30TB HDDs, 50 TB in 5 years and 100 TB by 2030

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  1. tunejunky

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    exactly.
    all power circuits are susceptible to line imbalances (+/- voltage), RFI, and external induction.
    all of which can take a cumulative toll on the circuits.
    plus, surge protectors (the common sort) turn into extension cords (i.e. 0 protect) within two years.

    everyone who posts on these boards should have an AC power filter/line conditioner (decent ones start around $80).
    even better is a transformer based isolation conditioner.
    these devices work in the real world. and if you're not in a G7 country you need to buy one even more because the grids are less reliable.

    as someone who lives in California, i can tell you that these precautions have saved my rig(s) not once, not twice, not three times
    but many many times because of the historic fires caused by the utility, then exacerbated by designed black-outs.
     
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    Did not hear of this... i have a big one that all my AV equipment is plugged into in main cinema room.

    Also had UPS boxes that all computer gear was plugged into years ago... but they didn't last long.... any time the power went it lasted a few seconds (or none by the end).

    Never bothered wasting money buying another one again after that.
     
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    id rather sacrifice lower performance with 5400/5900rpm for operating noise
    after all all I need it for is mostly backup

    hey does running a drive vertically in a docking station gonna raise temperatures and lower the lifespan ? cause this guy says it will,while I don't think so.I've never felt it's hot either when I was taking it out of the station.
     
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    slightly more stress on the actuator to flick up and down than side to side, thats likely to have neglible impact on temperatures.
    spacing between drives and airflow is what matters in the end.
     

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    yup, it's true
    and UPS you have to buy the right power rating. the rule of thumb is to allow you enough time to safely shut down your equipment. AKA +50% of your PSU rating
    and if you're running a serious rig you should be paying at least as much as a waterblock for anti-surge line filters.
    if you have a cinema room i highly recommend you buy a transformer based isolation unit.
    you can then plug power strips into that.

    the sad fact is for the most part, local repair shops have gone the way of the village tinker. when you combine the cost, inconvenience, and lost productivity (not in cinema room:D) of having your electronics fried, a $400 iso transformer is chump change.

    the #1 cause of of damage to all electronics is cumulative failure to circuitry due to voltage spikes/surges/ and outages.
    this includes your tv
     
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    just one hdd plugged in.
     
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    and sometimes theres just odd flaws in the design that doesn't get picked up till years later.
     
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    one more question,di surveiillance hdds tend to last longer than desktop ones since they're designed for 24/7 non-stop recording ?
    cause enterprise drives are still very expensive.surveillance series like skyhawk are very affordable.
     
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    i said electronics. but i understand the larger meaning so
    more with programming, some with mechanical, less with circuitry.
     
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    to my semi-paranoid point about the market for these mega-drives.
     

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    I tried to do search on Amazon for "transformer based isolation unit" but nothing obvious. What do I search for?

    Also UPS of decent size are not cheap... eg my PC uses 750W EVGA G3 so I looked for 1500W UPS.... I see rack mount units for 700+
     
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    Amazon US:

    https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00KS9M7T...olid=2SLZ8H73AA4J9&psc=0&ref_=lv_ov_lig_dp_it

    going for the industrial version saves you mucho moola. a fancy chassis and shiny logo add cost
    this Tripp-Lite is the least expensive of it's type. you actually have two transformers with special windings so there is no possibility of spikes, surges, and the like. plus it will last as long as you will :)cool:).
    for a typical home cinema under a 2kw peak draw this unit is fine. you can hide it and plug power strips into it.
     
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    Geogan,
    yeah UPS are expensive and used to be all there was cost effectively as pcb (electronic, not chemical) transformers at scale are really expensive.

    Apple and Google have had tremendous success with solar micro-grids with on site (Tesla) storage. the demand is so high Tesla has trouble banging out their Power Banks.
    one of the best things about Silicon Valley is sometimes good P.R. and virtue signaling intersect with truly good ideas.

    recycling started here in the 1960's along with silicon, scaling batteries ain't sexy but it is fundamental to a better future. say what you will about Elon, but Tesla has revolutionized high value cloud. 100% pure power 100% of the time, no matter what else is going on in the world and every major player in computing is getting on board or working with a competitor for the same at least at HQ or cloud.
    it will take time, but it will add efficiency and lower cost eventually.
     
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    Unfortunately I am from Europe with UK type 240V plug and mains supply.

    I see this range which seems to be similar to what you mentioned

    https://www.amazon.de/Bronson-Isolating-Transformer-Watt-Volt/dp/B07JLWJSYQ/

    Its possible we have a more stable 240V supply over here than your highly congested 110V mains over there in big US cities areas.

    Anyway I think I'll leave it for now.
     
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    this works a treat
    even cheaper in EU!
    you should get the 1kw version when you can
     
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