Seagate is working on 30TB HDDs, 50 TB in 5 years and 100 TB by 2030

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  1. Hilbert Hagedoorn

    Hilbert Hagedoorn Don Vito Corleone Staff Member

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  2. cucaulay malkin

    cucaulay malkin Ancient Guru

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    i wish they made drives more durable.not just seagate,in general.
    i got a ssd from 2014 and it's doing just fine,mechanical drives can't do 7 years these days.you'd be lucky with 6.
    i really would like a 8/10tb,but not gonna invest that much in a piece of hardware that might die on me in 6-7 years.
    I already moved my 2TB skyhawk 5400rpm into an external docking station,I only plug it in when I need to.I hope this will extend the life greatly.
     
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    ulquiora4 New Member

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    I moved from consumer HDD to Enterprise HDD due to exact same reason, consumer HDD can't do 6-7 years
    Hope this Enterprise class that i got will hold around that same time you mentioned (WD GOLD, 3 of them)
     
  4. cucaulay malkin

    cucaulay malkin Ancient Guru

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    expensive and loud
    it's hardly a solution im looking for
    i just went for simply reducing operating time.instead of having it spin or turn off/on continuously I just plug it in and take it out.it's sitting just behind my monitor,can't see it or hear it (had to do some research to find a quiet drive tho,19db idle/21db working,couldn't find a quieter one).

    it's not that bothersome as it might seem too.as long as it's tucked away from my sight and hearing.
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    (sorry for the cable mess,I don't care for it too much tho)

    it's not the answer we need,but it's cost effective and extends life for sure.
     
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    Truder Ancient Guru

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    My 4TB Western Digital Green drive is still alive and in use, got it in 2014. I did however mod the firmware to stop it from parking the heads every 8 seconds (disabled it entirely so rely on OS management). I also had a Seagate 1TB drive from 2013 that was in use up until 6 months ago (replaced with another 4TB drive). It is still working however.

    Probably what's maintained the life of my drives is not having aggressive power savings enabled. For example I don't have them turning off after idling (I hate the delay caused when you access a drive that has turned off). I do however regularly turn my PC off when it is not in use.

    The most interesting drive is my 250GB drive from 2005, Maxtor DiamondMax 10, still in use today living in my PlayStation 2.

    I've never had a drive failure, if anything I've had SATA cables themselves fail. They seem to deteriorate over time (delayed write fail is the signature error I've encountered with SATA cables going bad).
     
  6. JOHN30011887

    JOHN30011887 Member Guru

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    Im personally done with hdds, never going back.

    Some reason i cant get my head around them using helium inside them for the large sizes, makes me paranoid that someday when it leaks out they will be useless,

    I will stick to large nvme m.2 and sata ssds as long as there tlc or better and not that cheap qlc
     
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    they probably won't leak the helium, some days ago i seen a video of some technicians opening some Apollo program hardware and they are still full of nitrogen, anyway hdds sucks, we all agree (they are ok for datacenters)
     
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    my only thing to really say sounds almost like the tinfoil hat brigade -
    hello surveillance state.

    for real. the fact of the matter is enterprise has already scaled their data storage.
    a measurable increase in demand world wide for large-scale surveillance has happened coupled with the rise of cellphones. now people expect to see a recording.

    which is creepy in itself. and i do not need to pick on China (they win most egregious)
    but just look to UK, where every street in every city is surveilled.
    and of course, once you have it you want to be able to correlate with other events or observe a mug, pattern, or plate.

    and of course there's the other massive amounts of data governments store, but as in enterprise they've already been scaled.
     
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    5 times the capacity, 10 times lower lifespan. That's how it seems to me HDDs are made now. Kinda like floppy disks. In the 90s, if you bought a stack of floppies, they'd last forever. Floppies bought back then still work to this day. Then at the turn of the millennium, when you bought floppies you'd be lucky if they lasted even a single year.

    Now it's HDDs.
     
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    Having an operating drive sitting like that will cause it to heat up beyond its maximum safe temperature, which will probably lower the lifespan.

    How do i know? I have a stack of 10TB Enterprise drives in server and main case fan directly blows across/through them.

    I have monitoring software that warns about dangerous conditions on drives.

    One time I serviced/cleaned the server and unplugged fan to clean it... and forgot to plug back in.

    A few days later I was getting warnings from monitoring software about drives overheating. The temp went up at least 20C

    I realized what happened and plugged case fan back in.

    Drive temps went back into "safe" zone.

    These drives were not doing anything unusually difficult - just normal idling.

    I reckon a LOT of people kill drives through overheating unknown to them in PC cases.
     
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    I cant remember when I last had a HDD fail on me.
    Have the following:
    6 tb wd nas edition in passive cooled mediacenter.
    2x 3tb wd nas edition in small synology nas enclosure.
    2x 1 tb wd black and green edition for long term cold storage.
    2x 500gb wd no longer in use.
    A handfull of other older drives.
    Honorable mentions is a 40gb that survived a lightning strike that killed the sat tv box it was used in.

    Backblaze statistics show a small reliability improvement the last 2 years, they have statistics on 170.000 drives.
     
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    Biggest customers will be porn sites with 4k content.
     
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    the soda did fly out of my nose :p:eek:
     
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    This has been my experience as well. I've had a few HDDs die but none recently. The enterprise HDDs I've used have never died in any of my home setups - NAS, server, or otherwise. At work I've seen a handful of decent enterprise HDDs go bad in the past decade and maybe 10 enterprise SSDs in that same time frame (all in servers with heavy workloads). The failing SSDs were a mix of Samsung, Intel, Seagate, and Crucial FWIW. The best drives for reliability have been HGST (now WD) Ultrastars HDDs.

    WD Golds are rebranded duplicates of the Ultrastars as of a few years ago. Those things will last forever just like the HGSTs before them so long as they stay cool and don't get bumped around.
     
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    When 100 TB HDD become standard, will the standard download size for GTA 5 equivalents be 2 TB?
     

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    nvme hard drives then

    why is it cheaper to buy x2 1tb ssd vs 2tb ssd though
     
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    I can see 2 reasons a) supply and demand there is vastly bigger supply of 1tb drives since they focused em . And b) the the 2x capacity nand chips ( in comparison the ones used on 1tb drives) are much more expensive ... I bet it is a bit if both.
     
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    not really, with the latest consumer drives they aren't much quieter than the quite a bit faster enterprise drives.

    possibly, but not likely, these things are made for a range up to 70c operation, you're more likely to kill them from wear and tear stop/starts than heat.
     
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    Imagine losing all your data in a 100TB HDD, it sucks.

    5TB probably my safest bet, i wont go beyond that, at least for now.
    I've lost all my data on a mere 3TB HDD, and it sucks so much.
     
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    Typically with electronics, it's not the base technology that fails but the supporting circuitry. Capacitors and inductors are typically what break down first. With Hard Drives it's typically the bearings that wear out.
    Another example is LED lighting. The LED's are rated up to 50,000 hours. The power circuitry however typically fails in a fraction of the time.
     
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